Re: Why /64
Jeroen Massar <jeroen@massar.ch> Mon, 28 October 2013 17:06 UTC
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On 2013-10-28 17:47 , Octavio Alvarez wrote: > On 10/28/2013 01:49 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> On 2013-10-27 15:50, Roger Jørgensen wrote: >> [..] >>> Privacy isn't just one single thing. That the user might lose privacy >>> elsewhere in the entire stack that make up Internet, that's NOT an >>> argument to give up /64 because we have lost privacy anyhow. >> >> I am NOT arguing that a /64 should go the way of the dodo. >> I am only stating that this "IPv6 Privacy Address" thing is a myth. > > Which is also inaccurate, as the purpose is not to provide privacy, but > just to prevent anti-privacy through the IPv6 address. Please explain this "anti-privacy" concept. > It's difficult to choose the right words for this. You mean that it is difficult to justify randomizing bits as it does not solve the problem at hand: you can and will be tracked. >From the intro of RFC4941: ---- Changing the interface identifier (and the global scope addresses generated from it) over time makes it more difficult for eavesdroppers and other information collectors to identify when different addresses used in different transactions actually correspond to the same node." ---- As it states 'more difficult'. Since 2001 (RFC3041 which has the same wording and intent) this kind of tracking tech and the compute power has advanced enough though that the difficulty is futile. Greets, Jeroen
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