Re: [BEHAVE] RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix
Hui Deng <denghui02@gmail.com> Tue, 29 March 2011 11:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix
From: Hui Deng <denghui02@gmail.com>
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make sense -Hui 2011/3/29 Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com> > Hi Dan/Teemu(s)/Cameron, > I am afraid there is no single right answer here. There will be networks > that will prefer NAT44 over NAT64 and those that prefer NAT64 over NAT44. > For this reason, I think this is better left as a site-specific policy > decision for distribution using a mechanism such as > draft-ietf-6man-addr-select-opt. So, I agree with Dan and Cameron that we > should not add an entry to the default table for the NAT64 prefix. > > Cheers > Suresh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: behave-bounces@ietf.org > > [mailto:behave-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dan Wing > > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:48 PM > > To: 'Teemu Kiviniemi'; teemu.savolainen@nokia.com > > Cc: ipv6@ietf.org; behave@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] > > On Behalf > > > Of Teemu Kiviniemi > > > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:53 PM > > > To: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com > > > Cc: behave@ietf.org; ipv6@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: > > > > > > > I discussed shortly with Arifumi about RFC3484 default > > policy table > > > > updates and NAT64 WKP, i.e. whether the default policy > > table should > > > take > > > > a stand on 64:ff9b::/96 preference. > > > > > > > > It seemed to us that default policy table does not > > necessarily have > > > to, > > > > as it could be ok to handle addresses with WKP similarly to global > > > IPv6 > > > > addresses. Furthermore, the default policy table anyway > > cannot cover > > > > Network-Specific Prefixes. > > > > > > > > Hence prefixes used for protocol translation would be > > handled like > > > > global IPv6 addresses unless something different is > > configured via > > > > policy distribution mechanism? And this should perhaps be > > documented > > > > into the RFC3484-revised. > > > > > > I believe native IPv4 should always be preferred over > > NAT64. Even if > > > native IPv4 was using NAT, it is likely to work better with current > > > applications than NAT64. > > > > > > Preferring IPv4 over the NAT64 well-known prefix does not fix the > > > problem for network-specific NAT64 prefixes. However, I see > > no reasons > > > why the > > > NAT64 WKP should not be given a lower preference than IPv4 > > by default. > > > > One reason is that it changes behavior for a network using > > the well-known > > NAT64 prefix versus using their own network's NAT64 prefix. > > Not to mention they won't know if/when their IPv6 devices are > > using the new > > RFC3484 default table, and will thus start shifting their > > preference away from IPv6 (and a NAT64) and towards IPv4 (and > > a NAPT44, because let's be real, everyone will have a NAPT44 > > if we're talking about an > > RFC3484 change). > > > > Personally, I don't see any benefit to changing RFC3484 table > > to accomodate NAT64, assuming there is a way for the host to > > learn its NAT64 prefix (draft-korhonen-behave-nat64-learn-analysis). > > Assuming there is no standard way to learn the prefix by the > > time we would want to standardize rfc3484bis, I see harm in > > adding the NAT64 well known prefix 64:ff9b::/96 to the > > default policy table. > > > > -d > > > > > > > -- > > > Teemu > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > > ipv6@ietf.org > > > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Behave mailing list > > Behave@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/behave > > > _______________________________________________ > Behave mailing list > Behave@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/behave >
- RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix teemu.savolainen
- Re: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix Cameron Byrne
- Re: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix Teemu Kiviniemi
- Re: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix Cameron Byrne
- Re: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix Brian E Carpenter
- RE: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix teemu.savolainen
- Re: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix Brian E Carpenter
- RE: RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known Prefix Dan Wing
- RE: [BEHAVE] RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known … Suresh Krishnan
- Re: [BEHAVE] RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known … Arifumi Matsumoto
- Re: [BEHAVE] RFC3484-revise and NAT64 Well-Known … Hui Deng