Re: Objection to draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt

otroan@employees.org Wed, 01 March 2017 10:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: Objection to draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 11:58:51 +0100
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To: Greg Hankins <ghankins@mindspring.com>
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Greg,

>>> We can never change our
>>> implementation to be compliant with the proposed text because of the
>>> operational havoc it would create for our customers.  It's simply
>>> infeasible
>>> to impose these kind of addressing restrictions.
>> 
>> The word "change" is incorrect here, because the standard that was current
>> when Nokia wrote its implementation had pretty much exactly the same
>> requirement. (The reason for that is that *all* past standards have
>> contained this language except for RFC 1884, which specified /80, which
>> won't work in the real world.)
>> 
>> Could you reword your position to take into account that fact?
> 
> Call it whatever you want, the point again is that we have customers who have
> deployed whatever addressing architecture meets their requirements, and we
> can't force them to change it.  It's their network and their address space.
> 
> You are correct that other standards had the same requirement, which my
> current and all of my former employer's* implementations also ignored for
> the same reasons that have been mentioned.  This is a good opportunity
> for the -bis revision to reflect the state of operational deployments that
> have proven the assumptions in the original standard to be impractical.
> 
> Is anyone aware of any implementations that comply with this requirement?

There might be some misunderstanding here.
This last call is about a document requested to be elevated from draft standard (deprecated) to Internet standard.

This document cannot be elevated to Internet standard if we added a change that would affect interoperability or require changes in implementations.

What we are arguing over is finding text that balances between ensuring that implementations do the right thing (support all prefix lengths) and allowing existing (SLAAC, NPT66, ILNP) and new mechanisms that assume the 64 bit boundary to exist / be invented. Combine that with trying to enforce the policy boundary of giving half the bits to the network and the other half of bits to the users.

Best regards,
Ole