Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00.txt]
David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Wed, 22 November 2017 00:42 UTC
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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 18:42:22 -0600
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Subject: Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00.txt]
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>, IETF IPv6 Mailing List <ipv6@ietf.org>
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > On 22/11/2017 11:33, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > Lorenzo Colitti wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> > wrote: > >>> There would also be a requirement > >>> for the network edge to be able to filter out RAs with this option, > >> > >> Why is it not sufficient to configure the routers that emit the RAs? > > > > because you're assuming congruity between ipv4 and ipv6 connectivity on > > a network, which is not codified in any ietf document that I'm aware of. > > If there is a incongruity between management of the two protocols, then > > the l2 network must have a mechanism to stop an ipv6 gateway from > > attempting shutting down ipv4 services. > > This is a very interesting point. If every IPv6 router on a link believes > there is no IPv4 router/DHCP service, they would all send flag==1 in the > proposed solution. So the proposal only works if at least one IPv6 router > is colocated with an IPv4 router, and therefore knows to send flag==0. > Oops. > This is a problem only if the flag is set automatically and their is no mechanism to override the automatic setting. Most routers with an IPv6 address configured on an interface by default will send an RA unless you configure them not to. So, an IPv6 router without IPv4 configured on the interface should set this flag, unless configured otherwise. In other words you need to be able to tell an IPv6 router there is IPv4 on the interface even if router is not providing it. It is quite possible that the IPv6 topology is incongruous from the IPv4 topology, however it is doubtful than the management is also incongruous. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
- Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ip… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Fernando Gont
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… David Farmer
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Simon Perreault
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Nick Hilliard
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Michael Richardson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Simon Hobson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Erik Kline
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Nick Hilliard
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Tim Chown
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Erik Kline
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Jen Linkova
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Fernando Gont
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Fernando Gont
- problem statement [was Re: New Version Notificati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Christian Huitema
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Simon Hobson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Simon Hobson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Simon Hobson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Michael Richardson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Jen Linkova
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alejandro Acosta
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Ole Troan
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Michael Richardson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Erik Kline
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Fred Baker
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt