Re: [spring] Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 27 February 2020 01:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [spring] Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, John Leddy <john@leddy.net>
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Eric,

On 27-Feb-20 12:18, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:
> Writing this without any hat,
> 
> Please note that on the logical side, it still have to be "proven" that this idea is strictly forbidden by RFC 8200. 

The draft uses an undefined term ("pop") but it does *explicitly* state in a section called "Penultimate Segment Pop of the SRH":

>> S14.4.      Remove the SRH from the IPv6 extension header chain

If the word "penultimate" means what it means in every dictionary, this is in-flight removal of a header, and that is explicitly against RFC 8200, section 4, first paragraph below the diagram.

It's possible that "penultimate" means something else, e.g. "ultimate". I don't know. I've been puzzling over this language for months and it doesn't change. Maybe someone can finally post an explanation, but until they do, I don't see how any WG Chair could assert rough consensus. An obviously organised +1+1+1+1 campaign is not consensus. I don't know about you, but when I see a message whose only content is "+1" I just delete it.

   Brian

> Moreover, this 'proof' can technically wait until the IETF last call or even until the IESG ballot. I see little point in postponing the closing of the WGLC and advancing the document (of course, the document shepherd will need to carefully write the section about the rough WG consensus).
> 
> Finally, as far as I know, at the IETF we have no religion... else we would still be running NCP or IPv4 :-)
> 
> -éric
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipv6 <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
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> ...%<...%<....
>     
>     It doesn't really matter how many people say +1 for moving it forwards
>     -- if there are valid technical objections these have to be dealt with
>     - and I think that the relationship with RFC8200 falling into this
>     category...
>     
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