Re: Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: [spring] CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 27 May 2020 22:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: Long-standing practice of due-diligence is expected - Re: [spring] CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
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On 28-May-20 09:50, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> Andrew,
> 
> I don't think this is about killing innovation. After all no one is saying you can not use it in your network. 
> 
> WG acceptance calls 

Adoption is not acceptance. At least half the messages on this topic are written as if we were in the middle of a WG Last Call.

> are evaluated in terms of WG rough consensu if significant number of members of WG find a proposal useful and if they are willing to work on it. 

Indeed. Exactly. Not in the least about consensus that the proposal is ready for approval. Just that it is ready for discussion and, as you say, that there are people willing to work on it.

> It seems clear that other then one vendor and very few individuals majority of the WG members do not support the adoption. 

That's for the WG Chairs to evaluate, and I expect them to evaluate singing in chorus appropriately. Also, and this is not a grammatical quibble, we don't have "members". We have participants, and we don't count votes.

> I am not against CRH. But what I am against is that CRH/SRm6 authors already bounced back via SPRING doors so they have chosen to try to enter via 6man window. That is not proper style for any proposal.

I agree that CRH is not in scope of the SPRING charter as it stands today ("the home of Segment Routing (SR) using MPLS (SR-MPLS) and IPv6 (SRv6)"). But let me say again that we should hear the opinion of the routing ADs.

Regards
    Brian