Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 15 March 2014 16:38 UTC
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 05:38:04 +1300
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it
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On 16/03/2014 05:16, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2014-03-15 00:31, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> On 15/03/2014 10:29, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >>> Le 13/03/2014 15:27, Lorenzo Colitti a écrit : >>> [...] >>>> It's true that those that want IPv6 to be exactly like IPv4 are >>>> disappointed, because IPv6 is not IPv4. No, you can't do routing without >>>> RAs. No, you can't "save addresses" by making host subnets /120s (at >>>> least not easily). No, there is no RFC1918. No, ULAs are not the same as >>>> RFC1918. No, there is no NAT. >>> Yes there is IPv6 NAT an dit works just like in IPv4. >> We can't make it illegal, but we have already made it unnecessary. > > Unnecessary for connection normal hosts, but let me admit, that I > recently found a situation where it was actually useful to have Linux's > NAT function for IPv6: forwarding connections in a proxy-style method. > > This way I was able to setup a load-balanced forwarding setup for > various services without having to modify the backend systems to > understand a special header (eg X-Forwarded-For) for proper tracking of > too-many-connections and mere logging. Try RFC 7098? Brian > > Note that the backend boxes actually do have their own global IPv6 > address, one might just not want to expose to the world all the time. > > As such, NAT has it's uses; they just should not be forced upon > end-users by the providers that they are using. > > More annoyingly are the providers that will force-change your IP address > space every 24 hours; which will make people want to have NAT to avoid > renumbering.... and with 6rd, which is dependent on the IPv4 address, > this is already a reality in quite some places unfortunately. > > Greets, > Jeroen > >
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Erik Nordmark
- A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stabilit… RJ Atkinson
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Sander Steffann
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Cb B
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… RJ Atkinson
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… t.petch
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… RJ Atkinson
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… RJ Atkinson
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it (was: … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Jeroen Massar
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Jeroen Massar
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it joel jaeggli
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it joel jaeggli
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Cb B
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Glen Turner
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Ole Troan
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Glen Turner
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Glen Turner
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Tim Chown
- Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architectura… Ole Troan
- Re: Link addressing Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… sthaug
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Ole Troan
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: Link addressing Erik Nordmark