Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scenarios
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Fri, 15 February 2019 09:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scenarios
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
To: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan@go6.si>, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, ipv6@ietf.org
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/64 for every device is perfectly possible and I think it is wise, following RFC8273, so VMs inside a device can have their own addresses. I see a scenario where (and I don't care if it is a residential or enterprise), a single persistent (unless the user explicitly wants it non-persistent) /48 is provided to the CE. Then the CE can organize the /48 in different subnets. For example, devices (sensors that just report data), will get persistent or non-persistent /64s. Actuators (you need to talk to them, so you may want to have persistent addresses in the DNS), will get persistent /64. End-user devices (tablets, laptops, etc.), will have persistent or non-persistent /64s and finally, of course, if you have servers, you want to have the with persistent /64s. I know everything could be non-persistent using dynamic DNS, but this is expensive, is extra services, and it is slow. I don't think it make sense for stable services. Regards, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: ipv6 <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan@go6.si> Fecha: viernes, 15 de febrero de 2019, 10:30 Para: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, <ipv6@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scenarios On 15/02/2019 08:57, Christian Huitema wrote: > > On 2/14/2019 1:19 PM, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote: >> >> To augment what many already have said here - it's a tie between IP >> address and household address and name/surname that should not be >> public, the address itself is mostly harmless and it doesn't matter if >> it's static or dynamic. Tracing gets done on L7 and above anyway ;) > > > In the current state of the web, if a user gets a new address, the > various web surveillance mechanisms will associate it with the previous > user identity and context after maybe a dozen web queries or two. That > gets better if the user has a strong defensive posture, blocks web > trackers, etc. But it just takes one cookie, or one login, or some other > inference, and poof, the surveillance databases know that new_address_X > is the same user as old_address_Y. > > The case of the household is even worse. It takes only one cookie, > login, etc, and the surveillance databases will learn that new_prefix_P > is the same household as old_prefix_Q. Even you run Ghostery or Privacy > Badger or the latest release of Firefox, you won't escape if you share a > prefix with someone in your household who doesn't. Or with one of those > surveillance devices that masquerade as thermostats or light switches or > voice assistants. Exactly. > > So that's pretty bleak. If you want defense, you probably want to > allocate different /64 prefixes to different devices, and change them > really often. You may not need to change them for every devices -- no > point providing privacy to the surveillance thermostat. But for your > laptop, your tablet or your phone, they to change before the > surveillance advertisers see you access a dozen web pages or two. /64 for each device is fine. What I'm questioning is if we really need to make underlying to be something that was never meant to be if L7 and above is broken? I think L7 and above needs to be fixed first and then changing of addresses in transport layer can have any effect. Until then - let's transport packets in a way that doesn't break often and make user grumpy. To put "lipstick on a pig" is a rhetorical expression, but quite useful in our case :) :) :) Cheers, Jan -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
- A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scen… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fred Baker
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Andrews
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tore Anderson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
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- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: privacy at layer 7 and above (was: A common p… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Markku Savela
- Re: privacy at layer 7 and above Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: privacy at layer 7 and above Simon Hobson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Simon Hobson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Simon Hobson
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tim Chown
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SLAAC … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: 6renum , NEMO, and others, alive again? [A co… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- graceful renumbering of CPE networks Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … j h woodyatt
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… 神明達哉
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… j h woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … j h woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tim Chown
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Timothy Winters
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- NAT debate (Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLA… Fernando Gont
- Re: NAT debate (Re: [v6ops] A common problem with… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Kristian McColm
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Kristian McColm
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Raymond Burkholder
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Kristian McColm
- Is addressing privacy via NAT really achieving mu… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Nick Hilliard
- Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A commo… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Owen DeLong
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… Michael Richardson
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Timothy Winters
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… David Farmer
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Ca By
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Lee Howard
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Michael Richardson
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… David Farmer
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Owen DeLong
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Ca By
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ted Lemon
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Michael Richardson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Sander Steffann
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… STARK, BARBARA H
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Michael Richardson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Is addressing privacy via NAT really … Behcet Sarikaya
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… 神明達哉
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… 神明達哉
- there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common pro… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Erik Kline
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Mark Smith
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Philip Homburg
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… 神明達哉
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Tim Chown
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Michael Richardson
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Timothy Winters
- RE: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg