Re: Route Information Options in Redirect Messages

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 11 January 2017 02:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: Route Information Options in Redirect Messages
To: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>, 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>, INT Area <int-area@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:23:55 +1300
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On 11/01/2017 06:55, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> I am looking at the section that says:
> 
> "3.4.  Redirects
>    There is potential for adverse interaction with any off-link Redirect
>    (Redirect for a destination that is not on-link) message sent by a
>    router in accordance with Section 8 of [RFC4861].  Hosts SHOULD apply
>    off-link redirects only for the specific pair of source and
>    destination addresses concerned, so the host's Destination Cache
>    might need to contain appropriate source-specific entries.  This
>    extends the validity check specified in Section 8.1 of [RFC4861]."
> 
> What is being proposed in the document I submitted is the inclusion of
> RIOs in Redirect messages for a *prefix* that is not on-link, as opposed
> to a singleton destination. So, the same SHOULD in the paragraph above
> would seem to apply also to prefix redirection the same as for ordinary
> destination redirection.

I didn't want to bias your reading, but that was my conclusion too. If
correct, maybe your draft needs to cite RFC8028 and augment it accordingly.

Regards
    Brian

> 
> Thanks - Fred
> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 2:08 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>; 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: Route Information Options in Redirect Messages
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> Can you check that there would be no adverse interaction with RFC8028,
>> especially https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8028#section-3.4
>>
>> Regards
>>    Brian
>>
>> On 10/01/2017 04:51, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>>> See below for a new draft that proposes to update RFC4861 and RFC4191 to
>>> permit the inclusion of Route Information Options in Redirect Messages.
>>> This represents a backward-compatible extension to the IPv6 ND Redirect
>>> function. Please review and comment on the list.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 1:52 PM
>>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>>> Subject: I-D Action: draft-templin-intarea-rio-redirect-00.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Title           : Route Information Options in Redirect Messages
>>>         Author          : Fred L. Templin
>>> 	Filename        : draft-templin-intarea-rio-redirect-00.txt
>>> 	Pages           : 5
>>> 	Date            : 2017-01-06
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>    The IPv6 Neighbor Discovery protocol provides a Redirect function
>>>    allowing routers to inform hosts of a better next hop on the link
>>>    toward the destination.  This document specifies a backward-
>>>    compatible extension to the Redirect function to allow routers to
>>>    include forwarding information that the source can associate with the
>>>    next hop.
>>>
>>>
>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-intarea-rio-redirect/
>>>
>>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-templin-intarea-rio-redirect-00
>>>
>>>
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