Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it
Jeroen Massar <jeroen@massar.ch> Sat, 15 March 2014 16:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it
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On 2014-03-15 00:31, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 15/03/2014 10:29, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >> Le 13/03/2014 15:27, Lorenzo Colitti a écrit : >> [...] >>> It's true that those that want IPv6 to be exactly like IPv4 are >>> disappointed, because IPv6 is not IPv4. No, you can't do routing without >>> RAs. No, you can't "save addresses" by making host subnets /120s (at >>> least not easily). No, there is no RFC1918. No, ULAs are not the same as >>> RFC1918. No, there is no NAT. >> >> Yes there is IPv6 NAT an dit works just like in IPv4. > > We can't make it illegal, but we have already made it unnecessary. Unnecessary for connection normal hosts, but let me admit, that I recently found a situation where it was actually useful to have Linux's NAT function for IPv6: forwarding connections in a proxy-style method. This way I was able to setup a load-balanced forwarding setup for various services without having to modify the backend systems to understand a special header (eg X-Forwarded-For) for proper tracking of too-many-connections and mere logging. Note that the backend boxes actually do have their own global IPv6 address, one might just not want to expose to the world all the time. As such, NAT has it's uses; they just should not be forced upon end-users by the providers that they are using. More annoyingly are the providers that will force-change your IP address space every 24 hours; which will make people want to have NAT to avoid renumbering.... and with 6rd, which is dependent on the IPv4 address, this is already a reality in quite some places unfortunately. Greets, Jeroen
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Erik Nordmark
- A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stabilit… RJ Atkinson
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Sander Steffann
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Cb B
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… RJ Atkinson
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… t.petch
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… RJ Atkinson
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… RJ Atkinson
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it (was: … Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Jeroen Massar
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Jeroen Massar
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it joel jaeggli
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it joel jaeggli
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Cb B
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Hesham Soliman
- RE: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there _is_ IPv6 NAT - just look for it Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Glen Turner
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Ole Troan
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Glen Turner
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Glen Turner
- Re: A Plea for Architectural & Specification Stab… Tim Chown
- Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architectura… Ole Troan
- Re: Link addressing Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… sthaug
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Ole Troan
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: Link addressing (was: Re: A Plea for Architec… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: Link addressing Erik Nordmark