Re: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-6man-frag-deprecate-00.txt

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Tue, 25 June 2013 23:23 UTC

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> while the practical global MTU for IPv4 remains larger, then I would
> say that pretty much serves as a guarantee that the transition from
> IPv4 to IPv6 cannot ever be successful.

i had a semi-discussion with olaf kolkman, who was saying dnssec and
ipv6 were slow and steady transitions.  i pointed out that dnssec, with
all its warts, was forward compatible and there was no visible
alternative.  ipv6, otoh, is incompatible on the wire and to the user,
and there are viable, though disgusting, alternatives, nat.

i am not optimistic.  in our second system syndrome religious ferver, we
have left the customer behind.  if we have any last chance, it is to
make it as absolutely easy as possible for folk running ipv4 to add
ipv6, no excuses, no self-righteous crap, no ivory tower.  all speed
bumps must br removed.

st00pid terribly trivial example.  why do i have to install a second
dhcp server for v6?  why does the default one not do both?  so building,
testing, installing, dhcpv6 goes on the enterprise's mess of a ipv6
transition pert chart and the perceived cost goes up.  and no, dhcp-
based enterprises are not gonna transition to stateless, i said no
religion.

ron is actually deploying ipv6 in enterprises to see what his customers
are seeing, eating his own dogfood.  he did not field this draft for his
amusement or to get his name on an rfc.

randy