Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6.
Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 31 March 2011 13:50 UTC
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:52:00 +0200
From: Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com>
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To: Roland Bless <roland.bless@kit.edu>
Subject: Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6.
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Le 31/03/2011 12:26, Roland Bless a écrit : > Hi Alexandru, > > On 31.03.2011 12:08, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >> Thanks for the pointer, I am discovering OBD. We are also >> interested in wireless usage of IP within the vehicle, with >> off-the-shelf links (i.e. consumer electronics market wifi, >> bluetooth, ant) together with OBD if needed. > > See below. > >>> Today EOBDv1 can diagnose (quasi online) 849 failures. One of >>> most important advantage of EOBDv2 (but not only it) will be >>> constant, real time communication with service. The best way of >>> them will be indyvidual number for every car vehicles in the >>> world. >> >> Excellent requirement to IP. > > Maybe to some mapping system, but not directly to IPv6 (ID/Loc > split). I quickly get confused on id/loc split discussions. I meant to say that it is wonderful to request Internet to let a vehicle connect to it anywhere in the world and, moreover, solution should not be exclusively satellite. >>> This number ought to cooporate with global networking - TCP/IP >>> (IPv6). All cars have indyvidual number - VIN (17 characters >>> which indicates on a country of production and mark of the car: >>> digits and letters A-X). Maybe there is time when someone must >>> think about conversion VIN to IPv6 >> >> Hmm... sounds as good idea. But there may be several IP addresses >> within a vehicle, one for the obu, one for map device, etc. > >> In case one would like to map VIN to an IPv6 address one would >> consider first an Interface Identifier of the IPv6 address. >> (rightmost 64 bits). Interface Identifier is about an Interface, >> and I am not sure VIN is about an interface, or is it. (like >> Interface is the Ethernet interface of this pc). > > Yes, but from a security point of view, it would be a nightmare if > some hacker could directly send IP packets to the ECU controlling > your airbag or other safety relevant ECUs etc. So a strong security > architecture is a MUST. I agree, appropriate security is useful. What's ECU? (other than the currency). > I'm not sure that there is a need to _directly_ address any internal > car devices. A security gateway as policy enforcement point seems to > be required at least. For entertainment, passengers may like to youtube without policy enforcement, i.e. all laptops in the vehicle be each IP-addressable. In other cases, only the OBU would be IP-addressable and it would be connect on its ingress interface to rs232/can devices (but it would still need a 2nd IP address on that interface). Alex > Regards, Roland
- Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Radek Wróbel
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Scott Brim
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. George Michaelson
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Roland Bless
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Thierry Ernst
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Scott Brim
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. George Michaelson
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Bob Hinden
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Scott Brim
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Roland Bless
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Thierry Ernst
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Roland Bless
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Roland Bless
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Nathan Ward
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Scott Brim
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Scott Brim
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Brian Haberman
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Jong-Hyouk Lee
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Roland Bless
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Roland Bless
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Bob Hinden
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Jong-Hyouk Lee
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Jong-Hyouk Lee
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Jared Mauch
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Jong-Hyouk Lee
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Hesham Soliman
- Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6. Alexandru Petrescu