Re: Objection to draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Thu, 02 March 2017 09:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: Objection to draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt
To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
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On 03/02/2017 05:57 AM, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com
> <mailto:fgont@si6networks.com>> wrote:
> 
>     among other things, it unnecessarily wastes 18 bits of entropy
> , and> 
> If you ever want that argument to be convincing you'll need to explain
> by how much the additional 18 bits of entropy benefit real users in
> realistic situations.

It's the other way around: if you are randomizing IDs for the sake of
privacy, you should make an argument for wasting 18 bits (other than "I
do it because I can").

You should also make an argument for reusing IDs in different layers and
contexts, something that is known to be a bad practice, and is the
reason for which we have had to work on: RFC7721, RFC7707, RFC7217,
RFC8064, besides patching/updating more than 14 standards.

Besides, since we (IETF) do not specify how link-layer addresses are
generated, it would be very bad to make the security/privacy properties
of the addresses we do specify (IPv6) on the properties of those
(link-layer) that we don't.

That said, if you're keen to waste 18 bits of the address, you should
probably write a draft to propose that the default subnet size/prefix be
82. Otherwise you're literally wasting 18 bits that could be used for
something else.

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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