[IPv6]Re: draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui: Call for Adoption

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 29-May-24 10:16, David Schinazi wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> This draft is currently saying "browsers SHOULD do XYZ, but by the way we don't know how one might do that at all". That's not good or helpful guidance to give to browser implementers.

I'd be perfectly happy, personally, to remove all references to browsers, but earlier comments said not to do that. I don't see why the IETF should tell any particular class of UI implementers how to do their job; by removing references to URI syntax and HTTP message content, we are not impacting Web standards issues in any way.

(A browser add-on to input a Zone ID a.k.a. interface identifier isn't hard to imagine, but the browser's internal handling of Zone IDs is another matter. As I think I already mentioned, even if you get an LLA plus Zone into a browser via mDNS, the result is browser-dependent. I cannot imagine any document from the IETF that would resolve this.)

Regards
     Brian




> 
> David
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:45 PM Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
>     David,
> 
>     Obviously, the authors disagree. The text says "this approach does not resolve the issue of how browsers should support link-local addresses." This makes it pretty clear that we don't expect browsers to do this any time soon. It doesn't modify URIs or what browsers might or might not include in HTTP messages, so there is no interaction with Web standards. Like all IETF standards, this is voluntary and browser implementers can choose to ignore it.
> 
>     Regards
>          Brian Carpenter
> 
>     On 29-May-24 09:02, David Schinazi wrote:
>      > Hi,
>      >
>      > I strongly oppose adoption of draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui as currently scoped. As I've mentioned in previous messages [1,2,3], I consider it harmful for this document to place unimplementable normative requirements on Web browsers.
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      > David
>      >
>      > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/cy8sbKEc2-nLNbJfvJuf8X2yU2c/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/cy8sbKEc2-nLNbJfvJuf8X2yU2c/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/cy8sbKEc2-nLNbJfvJuf8X2yU2c/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/cy8sbKEc2-nLNbJfvJuf8X2yU2c/>>
>      > [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/BxKeDKDsaeVdJk9AdTC04dmgBWg/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/BxKeDKDsaeVdJk9AdTC04dmgBWg/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/BxKeDKDsaeVdJk9AdTC04dmgBWg/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/BxKeDKDsaeVdJk9AdTC04dmgBWg/>>
>      > [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/kQsLE6rtwaNubyrfTptZsQte1MI/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/kQsLE6rtwaNubyrfTptZsQte1MI/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/kQsLE6rtwaNubyrfTptZsQte1MI/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/kQsLE6rtwaNubyrfTptZsQte1MI/>>
>      >
>      >
>      > On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 1:34 AM Jen Linkova <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     This email starts an adoption call for the following document:
>      >
>      >     Title : Entering IPv6 Zone Identifiers in User Interfaces
>      >     Authors : B. Carpenter, R. Hinden
>      >     Pages : 9
>      >     Date : 2024-03-31
>      >
>      > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/>>
>      >
>      >     Please note that the draft in question is a continuation of the work
>      >     done in draft-ietf-6man-rfc6874bis which was adopted by this WG
>      >     previously.
>      >
>      >     Substantive comments, statements of support for adopting this
>      >     document or objections to the adoption should be sent to the mailing
>      >     list.  Editorial suggestions can be sent to the authors.
>      >     .
>      >     This adoption call will end on June 12th 2024.
>      >
>      >     Regards,
>      >
>      >     Ole & Jen
>      >
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