Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00.txt
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 17 November 2017 08:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00.txt
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 17/11/2017 20:57, Fernando Gont wrote: > HI, BOb, > > Comments/questions: > > * How about the case in which a user employs an IPv4-only printer on an > IPv6-only network? That question makes my head hurt. Why would you configure the flag =1 on such a network? > > * Does this document imply that IPv6 is bootstrapped first than, or in > parallel of, IPv4? First. Maybe we need to state that. > > * If IPv4-has already been bootstrapped, would 4=1 still cause the node > to disable IPv4? There is a cunning "should not" in the text to cover corner cases. But we probably need to discuss the corner cases anyway. > > * If 4=1, but later 4=0, shuld that transition of the 4 bit trigger IPv4 > configuration? Yes, we need to say something about that - linked to router lifetimes, I think. me -> airport shortly. Brian > > > * Sec cons: see RFC7113 -- it seems that still the current state of > affairs for many implementations (unfortunately). > > > Thanks! > > Cheers, > Fernando > > > > > On 11/17/2017 02:42 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Brian and I took a cut a defining an IPv4 Availability Flag for IPv6 ND >> Router Advertisements. From the Introduction: >> >> Hosts that support IPv4 and IPv6, usually called dual stack hosts, >> need to work on IPv6 only networks. That is, a link where there are >> no IPv4 routers and/or IPv4 services. Monitoring of IPv6-only >> networks, for example at the IETF 100 meeting in Singapore, shows >> that current dual stack hosts will create local auto-configured IPv4 >> addresses and attempt to reach IPv4 services. A mechanism is needed >> to inform hosts that there is no IPv4 support and that they should >> turn off IPv4. >> >> Because there is no IPv4 support on these links, the only way to >> notify the dual stack hosts on the link is to use an IPv6 mechanism. >> An active notification will be much more robust than attempting to >> deduce this state by the lack of IPv4 responses or traffic. >> >> IPv4-only hosts, and dual-stack hosts that do not recognize the new >> flag, will continue to attempt IPv4 operations, in particular IPv4 >> discovery protocols typically sent as link-layer broadcasts. This >> legacy traffic cannot be prevented by any IPv6 mechanism. The value >> of the new flag is limited to dual-stack hosts that recognize it. >> >> We were originally thinking it would be an April 1 submission, but after >> reading the discussion on the IPv6 list, we decided it makes sense as a >> real submission :-) >> >> Please review and comment. >> >> Thanks, >> Bob and Brian >> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> *From: *internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> >>> *Subject: **New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00.txt* >>> *Date: *November 17, 2017 at 2:36:31 PM GMT+8 >>> *To: *"Robert M. Hinden" <bob.hinden@gmail.com >>> <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>>, "Robert Hinden" <bob.hinden@gmail.com >>> <mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com>>, "Brian Carpenter" >>> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> >>> >>> >>> A new version of I-D, draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00.txt >>> has been successfully submitted by Robert M. Hinden and posted to the >>> IETF repository. >>> >>> Name:draft-hinden-ipv4flag >>> Revision:00 >>> Title:IPv6 Router Advertisement IPv4 Availability Flag >>> Document date:2017-11-17 >>> Group:Individual Submission >>> Pages:5 >>> URL: >>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00.txt >>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hinden-ipv4flag/ >>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00 >>> Htmlized: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hinden-ipv4flag-00 >>> >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document specifies a Router Advertisement Flag to indicate that >>> there is no IPv4 service on the advertising router. This document >>> updates RFC5175. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>> submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org >>> <http://tools.ietf.org>. >>> >>> The IETF Secretariat >>> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >
- Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ip… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Fernando Gont
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… David Farmer
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Simon Perreault
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Nick Hilliard
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Michael Richardson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Bob Hinden
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Simon Hobson
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Erik Kline
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Nick Hilliard
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Tim Chown
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Erik Kline
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Jen Linkova
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Fernando Gont
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Fernando Gont
- problem statement [was Re: New Version Notificati… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Christian Huitema
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Simon Hobson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Simon Hobson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Simon Hobson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Michael Richardson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Jen Linkova
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alejandro Acosta
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hinde… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Ole Troan
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Michael Richardson
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Erik Kline
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Fred Baker
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… David Farmer
- Re: problem statement [was Re: New Version Notifi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt
- Re: New Version Notification for draft-hinden-ipv… james woodyatt