Re: Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 27 February 2020 10:27 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 05:27:25 -0500
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The IETF serves users, not “industry”.  The IETF does not promote. Our job is to make the internet work interoperably. Brian has raised an objection that could be answered, but has not been. It is inappropriate to say that this document has passed last call. 

In my experience, when it is hard to get consensus in situations like this it is because there is a wish to not address a concern that has been raised, not because the concern could not be addressed or should not have been raised. It may feel unreasonable, and like an imposition, but it is not. It is part of the process. 

Rather than trying to steamroll over the objection, why not simply answer it?

> On Feb 27, 2020, at 04:30, Maojianwei (Mao) <maojianwei@huawei.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi friends,
>  
> Internet standard is aimed to promote deployment and innovation, but not to be a barrier.
>  
> While this WG LC has been extended again and again,
> if we have reached an agreement that SRv6 can bring many advantages for our network in future,
> we should shelve the dispute and promote industry.
>  
> Meanwhile, we can have a discussion in the future about how to resolve the problem, bis 8200 or what else.
>  
>  
> So, I agree we close the WG LC now, and go ahead.
>  
>  
> Cheers~
> Mao
>  
>  
>  
> 发件人: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Lizhenbin
> 发送时间: 2020年2月26日 19:55
> 收件人: bruno.decraene@orange.com; 'SPRING WG List' <spring@ietf.org>
> 抄送: 6man@ietf.org; draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming <draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming@ietf.org>
> 主题: [spring] Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
>  
> Hi Bruno and WG,
> The LC has lasted for almost 3 months which greatly exceeds the expected 2 week. In the process all the comments have been resolved while some issues is raised again and again with little value.
> On the other hand, there have been multiple commercial implementation and inter-op test and almost 20 deployments for SRv6 which justify the solution proposed by the draft in practice.
>  
> We sincerely request to close the LC of the draft and move forward.
>  
>  
>  
> Best Regards,
> Zhenbin (Robin)
>  
>  
> From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] 
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2019 1:15 AM
> To: 'SPRING WG List' <spring@ietf.org>
> Cc: 6man@ietf.org; draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming <draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming@ietf.org>
> Subject: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
>  
> Hello SPRING,
>  
> This email starts a two weeks Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming [1].
>  
> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version, and send your comments to the SPRING WG list, no later than December 20.
>  
> You may copy the 6MAN WG for IPv6 related comment, but consider not duplicating emails on the 6MAN mailing list for the comments which are only spring specifics.
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> This may help avoiding that the thread become specific to this point and that other points get forgotten (or that the thread get converted into parallel independent discussions)
>  
> Thank you,
> Bruno
>  
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-05
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>  
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