Re: Why /64
Jeroen Massar <jeroen@massar.ch> Mon, 28 October 2013 09:11 UTC
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On 2013-10-28 09:53, Wuyts Carl wrote: > Ok, thx for the update. I don't think that you're the "default/avg" > user here :-), hence I don't believe they will use your setup as an > example to set for a specific ia_pd prefix length. I agree there's > plenty of space, but lots of ISPs claim people said the same in IPv4 > era, hence are cautious to set it "too big". We can't teach people to learn math nor can we teach them to think of routing slots and the fact that aggregation makes things so much easier. We also cannot teach people who are in the networking business and who request the prefix they get from their RIR to request a large enough block, and then are 'we are running out of space' or funnier, make comments about other ISPs getting large blocks as they did fill in the paperwork. The allocation lists show clearly that several ISPs have upgraded their prefixes to much larger sizes than the default /32 over time though; thus hopefully this happens before there becomes a need to do multiple disjunct /32s per ISP, though several have already gone for that model to 'cover the world' or 'being able to deaggregate per continent'. Like in IPv4 there are also already several ISPs again who are limiting the amount of time that a IPv6 delegation is routed to a single user, and they cycle it on regular basis; hence the user not receiving a static prefix and thus having to renumber all the time and thus it being quite annoying. These primarily are all business decisions though, little the IETF can do about unfortunately. There is enough documentation out there, the people in charge will go their own way without heeding the advice of their fellow networkers... > Anyway, I must say to see lots of /56s, so looks ok in lots of > occasion, but for sure no global consensus / approach on this, I see > anything between 64 and /48 for the home being used today. In the ARIN region ISPs are supposed to do at minimum /56, as this is in the allocation guidelines. Similar allocation guidelines exist for the other RIRs. Unfortunately there is no 'forced' requirement from the RIR and ISPs thus end up picking whatever they deem good for them. Greets, Jeroen
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