Re: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 15 January 2021 20:59 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:59:02 -0500
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If you are going to use this in a standards track document, then of course you need to publish a standard to reference that says how to encode the DUID. However, in that case you would need to document the use case for the new DUID type, as Bob and several others have requested.


> On Jan 15, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> 
> Ted, the allocation policy for the Private Enterprise Number (PEN) code for users
> of DUID-EN is not Standards Track; anyone and their brother can easily obtain a
> PEN code by filling out a simple form:
>  
> https://pen.iana.org/pen/PenApplication.page <https://pen.iana.org/pen/PenApplication.page>
>  
> I did one for “LinkUp Networks”, but that is not in any way tied to a Standards
> Track RFC. IANA did not even ask me any questions; they simply allocated the
> code for free. So, as far as standards status goes, an arbitrary PEN code has no
> standing while the global IPv6 unicast address space has full Internet standards
> status according to RFCs 4291 and 8200. I would therefore see it as a major
> DOWNREF to entrust the entire IPv6 address space to any random person
> who decided to register a PEN code.
>  
> That, plus I don’t want to carry around the extra 4 bytes for a PEN code…
>  
> Fred
>  
> From: Ted Lemon [mailto:mellon@fugue.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 12:31 PM
> To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
> Cc: Bernie Volz (volz) <volz@cisco.com>om>; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>om>; dhcwg <dhcwg@ietf.org>rg>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>rg>; Dickson (US), Sean M <sean.m.dickson@boeing.com>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-templin-duid-ipv6-01.txt
>  
> On Jan 15, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> wrote:
> using DUID-EN with some
> arbitrary PEN code to encode the entire global IPv6 unicast address space would
> IMHO be an unacceptable DOWNREF.
>  
> You said this before. I don’t understand what this means. DUID-EN is in a standards track RFC. How is this a DOWNREF? And why use an arbitrary enterprise number?