Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Combining IPv6 ND and DHCPv6 into a single, unified function

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 28 November 2017 19:29 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB458128E00; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:29:23 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VqmIqKLPy_WS; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:29:22 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-pf0-x232.google.com (mail-pf0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A422126BF6; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:29:21 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-pf0-x232.google.com with SMTP id y89so379846pfk.0; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:29:21 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IPK09va3l9vR4YYkGW6QNQY2w6gwUgm5hCdp3I6oApE=; b=Kqlbo4mVIxXPJ3F82R7lBNQFH7oYKRvfIjfHQS4aH6pbmQQoNF0o+It3pUvf3BEkhX r1CQiDBYFuHXVd+D5PP4VU+ctanCoNmsQ7knEflJ9PkNYO1azbuM5IRgPFo2FRFoup37 iwkacdWiupprzaUFR5ieAkbC4i0E2inN6r7xzESJgZoLwBAj3tUgawypoCj5GgujIWOK rekAAvNXKZLSDxtx2FrE0sh/4/kKgULS7y/U42IMatShLYuSrL13CKKv+QXQRbBq4Bkk yLmOp3tuMnogmpHAl+XJxhGFOGoZNSyF72x6NDLfopzVysdXvU42RRlScj0eA28DqJAl kFHQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IPK09va3l9vR4YYkGW6QNQY2w6gwUgm5hCdp3I6oApE=; b=jkgw1VSkCJIsryB1A4YhhI0wX+8w5s8UeSPn94eiHGxyxDkGflzT1GKAhHQeIOMHac EBdcBejq+iYduTVwtTomNPVBy9u0Ow/OCs7hAPlmlVrlcjUJLcpIYPBKiCrtuJ9TX4rv kaGWR/o6o/WiDDwf5PBpm/fw5p62zA4sSDof11HXvV4ddHNMPxrYDm/VtDWJZeS/a91f InqhtkzUFZ1MR7S7nfS0SvjsnOa5t8GY6Eof1rmF4gHiYhRkL2W+sdXZSwvxZCf0MtB1 LPl7B91HbcBkc1amIIpdwrfSYjyejJ9E3gjwvgQDGyF2UViNU2ab31uUisllvjtu0dtd 3yEg==
X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5jivz26FShbssSVA47TlZEErsQfJlB51ERvGe/lOaWqYs4NkHS iYKIzmpCzNvS3j31j643/WlopQ==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZXmMLVoOeOM4JjNDsdKaJ9RZLCww8AaY67C584W2qjP11IpdpMXeNbz/k5xkqk1cqHSu1sbg==
X-Received: by 10.101.68.65 with SMTP id e1mr219465pgq.282.1511897360208; Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:29:20 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e007:6f17:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e007:6f17:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c191sm57951940pfg.24.2017.11.28.11.29.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:29:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Combining IPv6 ND and DHCPv6 into a single, unified function
To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Cc: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>, Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "dhcwg@ietf.org" <dhcwg@ietf.org>, "v6ops@ietf.org" <v6ops@ietf.org>, "6man@ietf.org" <6man@ietf.org>
References: <9debb1672e3d4f0d89d672d64e0fe579@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> <CAKD1Yr1+a+Bg3N=pX5_X2vhvkf50hY7N_Ay=aQQyq5ogsEWWMw@mail.gmail.com> <4e01cd6cc5234daca2f7be55b8cc28b0@XCH15-06-08.nw.nos.boeing.com> <27327.1511369630@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <E49D982F-9A83-4B7E-B65F-2CB07AB56ADD@gmail.com> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E6114DCC2BF8@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> <8a5feb3a-d18e-1773-0539-3da22e582c70@gmail.com> <CAKD1Yr3_2QnFdz6ooEnSeXc7P2HPkf=dSwT8L8NKf4=XqLfHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Organization: University of Auckland
Message-ID: <2611432c-ac26-105c-927e-3c4fd4309c2e@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 08:29:18 +1300
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAKD1Yr3_2QnFdz6ooEnSeXc7P2HPkf=dSwT8L8NKf4=XqLfHWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/p9NwYqJ8MfI21DtJk8XH5MRHia4>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 19:29:24 -0000

On 28/11/2017 18:21, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes and no. Let's consider a host that needs a particular piece of
>> information. As an example, consider the address of the next-hop router
>> for a given prefix. There are three separate parts to this:
>>
>> 1. Receiving some sort of message containing an appropriate option.
>> 2. Decoding the option
>> 3. Storing the result.
>> [...]
>>
> 
> You can't really separate these steps because the protocols that deliver
> configuration information have different semantics. For example, DHCPv6 is
> poll-based and requires explicit renewal, but RAs are push-based.

I think those are mechanical details. RAs expire & the host waits
for renewal; a DHCP host solicits renewal; but from a bird's eye view
that is a hidden distinction.

    Brian