RE: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Thu, 28 May 2020 15:59 UTC

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Subject: RE: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:59:05 +0100
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Two ways to de-escalate this, Ole, would be:

1. Don't imply that everyone stating an opinion is doing so because they are
following a company line. If you make such statements then you discourage
people from expressing their independent opinions.

2. Don't say anything that could be taken to be an opinion on an appeal that
is in progress and implies that the appellants are doing anything other than
a true and honest appeal.

Sometimes being a WG chair is a no-win situation, and I think everyone
respects the job you do. But you can avoid shooting yourself if you're
careful.

Best,
Adrian

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Sent: 28 May 2020 16:37
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Subject: Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

> +1 on this.  Also, hats off to Ole for explicitly acknowledging that this
is a vendor proxy war.

As far as I can tell this behaviour started with the adoption of the SRH
document and has continued ever since.
The SR-PGM appeal is another example of collateral damage.

It's the Karpman drama triangle playing out.

> As an independent operator of services, I find it disappointing and
thoroughly distasteful to see representatives from otherwise reputable
vendors engage in a protocol assassination attempt for what are very
obviously political reasons.
> 
> This is abusive and damaging to the IETF,  to the development of useful
building-block technologies, and serves to act directly against the
interests of technology consumers.  It needs to stop.

Indeed.
How though, is the difficult part. Trying to mediate leads to being dragged
into the conflict, accused of taking sides and losing credibility.

Best regards,
Ole
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