Re: Limited Domains:

Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Mon, 12 April 2021 22:21 UTC

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From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 15:20:49 -0700
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Subject: Re: Limited Domains:
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com>, "6man@ietf.org" <6man@ietf.org>, "draft-filsfils-6man-structured-flow-label@ietf.org" <draft-filsfils-6man-structured-flow-label@ietf.org>, "Ahmed Abdelsalam (ahabdels)" <ahabdels=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 3:10 PM Brian E Carpenter
<brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 13-Apr-21 08:52, Fred Baker wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:51 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> In other words, a redefined flow label could be used pairwise between hosts that have determined that they are both members of a particular limited domain.
> >
> > Which would eliminate the use of the flow label by systems that are not part of that domain.
>
> No, it would create two sets of nodes: nodes using RFC6437 between themselves, and nodes using some other interpretation of the flow label between themselves. Ships in the night, really just like running IPX and CLNP on the same network. We used to do that a lot.

Brian,

The problem is that there's no code point that  discriminates between
the different interpretations of the flow label. So in a limited
domain the deployment of the new implementation must be perfect, lest
there is at least one router that is inadvertently run with the legacy
interpretation, then that router may process the flow label and ECMP
per the standard leading to situations where packets of some flow are
unexpectedly going over different paths. Since there's nothing in the
packet that states what's happening, such problems can be really
difficult to debug.

Tom

>
> I'm not advocating this, just pointing out that it's possible.
>
>    Brian
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