Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?]

Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Tue, 27 September 2022 21:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: Network merge [Re: RFC6724-bis?]
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 23:39:46 +0200
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On 27 Sep 2022, at 23:32, Brian Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:


End of section 2.1

That would be a stretch.

Regardlessly if we agree on what the existing standards say or not. The proponents of this need to look at the consequences of overloading the protocol and why this is better than just using 7078.

O. 



Regards,
    Brian Carpenter
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, 09:57 Ole Troan, <otroan@employees.org> wrote:

RFC8028

Isn’t that a host behavior document?
Could not find where that changes router behavior.

O. 



Regards,
    Brian Carpenter
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, 09:00 Ole Troan, <otroan@employees.org> wrote:


> On 27 Sep 2022, at 21:48, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 28-Sep-22 08:40, Ole Troan wrote:
>>> (It is the presence of a ULA /48 prefix in local routing that we care about. The PIO for a /64 within that /48 is the trigger that it needs high precedence.)
>> Extending and overloading existing protocol fields is problematic. The proponents of this need at least to consider the consequences for existing implementations and future extensibility of the protocol. As well as the deployability of this, compared to existing standardized solutions.
>
> There isn't a standardized solution, since the mechanism for updating the RFC6724 table is not standardized. A=L=0 is already standardized to mean "I can route this prefix" and the proposal builds on that exact semantic.

Can you point to text stating that a PIO with A=L=0 in an RA from a router is a promise by that router to forward traffic for those prefixes? Or that a PIO has that semantic in any context.

Rfc7078?

O.