Conclusion of Adoption Call for <draft-templin-6man-omni-interface>

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Thu, 08 October 2020 00:55 UTC

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Subject: Conclusion of Adoption Call for <draft-templin-6man-omni-interface>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 17:55:29 -0700
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This concludes the adoption call of <draft-templin-6man-omni-interface-27>.

There were four responses to the adoption call:

Tony Whyman <tony.whyman@mccallumwhyman.com>
"I am willing to join the design team."
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/3O3KgczOZ-nRAHd3a0eWjdRbJ60

"Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
"I would like to join the design team of the OMNI draft."
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/lcttbr96dVeaG1GTZuWQAhTci7Q/

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
"The document is very complete (-27!), and 6man should have adopted it awhile ago.   It being very complete is an issue for me.  This work has it's own external design team, and I guess the plan is that all of those people will form the core of an IETF/6man design team.  But, actually I wonder if it shouldn't have it's own WG.
erihttps://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/Xv9IGt-KJKMbT-rfaXqBPzOUCY8

"Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
"Michael Richardson had the profound comment that maybe this would be a good use for the
long-deprecated IPv6 SLA address range (fec0::/10). I think maybe he has a point, but I believe
we would need the IETF to tell us that is the way to go - any thoughts?”
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/yab4PFF4irzEaEWMKc83nYl0Tmc

This is not enough support to adopt this in the 6man working group, nor sufficient volunteers to form a design team.  There isn’t enough interest in this work to make it successful.

This document is not adopted.

We note that this document has been updated eighteen times since we started the adoption call, the current version is <draft-templin-6man-omni-interface-45>.    The scope of the document has increased, it updates RFC1191, RFC3879, RFC4291, RFC4443, and RFC8201, as well as allocating a /10 of IPv6 address space.  Fred Templin described it on 6 Oct 2020 as a "next-generation IPv6-based Mobile Internet”.   We think that this goes well beyond what was required by the ICAO liaison letter.

We have discussed this with our area directors.  They suggested that this work could be proposed as a BOF.   We think that this should be investigated due to its current scope and that it may broaden the set of people interested in working on it.

Bob and Ole
6MAN chairs



> On Jul 29, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This message starts a two week 6MAN call on adopting:
> 
> Title:          Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Overlay Multilink Network (OMNI) Interfaces
> Authors:        F. Templin, A. Whyman
> File Name:      draft-templin-6man-omni-interface-27
> Document date:  2020-04-09
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-templin-6man-omni-interface-27
> 
> as a working group document. Substantive comments and statements of support for adopting this document should be directed to the mailing list.  Editorial suggestions can be sent to the authors.  This adoption call will end on 12 August 2020.
> 
> It’s our understanding that the main focus of this work is for networking aircraft with IPv6.   There is a liaison statement from the Members of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) titled "The OMNI Interface - An IPv6 Air/Ground Interface for Civil Aviation”.  It can be found here:
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1676/
> 
> This provides a good summary of what the intent of this work is.
> 
> The chairs note that this specification is much broader than a usual IPv6 over <Foo> specification, for example it proposes updating RFC4193, RFC4291, RFC4443, and RFC8201, and is in some ways defines a new IPv6 mobile architecture.   We believe is needs careful review by the 6MAN working group.
> 
> The adoption question for the 6MAN working group is do we want to take on this work.   Once that happens, the w.g.controls what is included in the document.
> 
> We think that a good way to proceed after adoption would be to form a design team which can review the requirements and make a recommendation to the 6MAN working group regarding which mechanisms should be standardized.  If you have the interest and time to participate in an OMNI design team, please include that in your response to this adoption call.   Getting enough volunteers for the design team is an essential part of adopting this document.
> 
> Ole & Bob
> 
>