Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"

Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Thu, 22 October 2020 15:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"
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SpaceX IB Ex Parte (10-15-20).pdf
<https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/101548191460/SpaceX%20IB%20Ex%20Parte%20(10-15-20).pdf>

https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/101548191460/SpaceX%20IB%20Ex%20Parte%20(10-15-20).pdf

This is their latest FCC application.

Behcet

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:17 AM Alexandre Petrescu <
alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Le 19/10/2020 à 21:17, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit :
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:12 AM Alexandre Petrescu
> > <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 19/10/2020 à 17:58, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:20 AM Templin (US), Fred L
> >> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
> > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com
> > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Seems like an “IPv6-over-foo” document might be in order; anyone
> >> care to____
> >>
> >> join me on that?____
> >>
> >> __
> >>
> >>
> >> IPv6-over-foo on Starlink section would look like
> >>
> >> TBD until more is revealed
> >
> > One in USA could look at the regulator's public database and find
> > which frequency channel is allocated for Tesla for Starlink.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is 12GHz
>
> It seems you know that for sure?  How?
>
> I could find some approved applications at FCC and they say more
> frequency bands (around 18GHz, 19GHz, 28GHz and 30GHz), but not 12GHz.
> https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-LIC-INTR2020-03068
>
> There is a listof applications from this company to FCC, visible at
> https://fcc.report/company/SpaceX-Services-Inc
>
> One would check themm all, to find out the frequencies and the names of
> the manufacturers of devices.  After that, one could see for the device
> specifications.
>
> It might also be that the end user does not talk to satellite (like
> Iridium users do) but to ground stations on WiFi, which them do talk to
> satellites.  At that point there would be no interest of
> "IPv6-over-starlink" but a simpler "IPv6-over-WiFi-at-5GHz-in-USA".
>
> Alex
>
> >
> > From that, one could find which encoders are available on that
> > frequency.  From that one could find which protocols are on it.  It
> > makes for a 'foo' in 'IPv6 over foo'.  The link layer.
> >
> >
> > I don't know how to do these?
> >
> > Behcet
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Behcet
> >>
> >> __
> >>
> >> Fred____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> *From:*Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com
> > <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com>>]
> > *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020
> >> 8:14 AM *To:* Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca
> > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>
> >> <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>>>; 6man WG
> > <ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
> >> <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>>> *Cc:* Templin
> > (US), Fred L
> >> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
> > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com
> > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>>
> >> *Subject:* Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
> >> Thanks Michael, I'd like to know as much as possible how IPv6
> >> works in Starlink.____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> Behcet____
> >>
> >> __ __
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:47 PM Michael Richardson
> > <mcr@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>
> >> <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>>> wrote:____
> >>
> >> Anyone read anything more specific about what Starlink is doing
> >> that is "simpler than IPv6"?
> >>
> >> I'd sure like to know that it permits end-terminal to end-terminal
> >> communicatons without a trip through a data center.
> >>
> >> -- ]               Never tell me the odds!                 | ipv6
> >> mesh networks [ ]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works |
> >> IoT architect   [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca
> > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca> <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca
> > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>>
> >> http://www.sandelman.ca/ <http://www.sandelman.ca/>
> > <http://www.sandelman.ca/ <http://www.sandelman.ca/>>        | ruby
> > on
> >> rails    [
> >>
> >>
> >> ____
> >>
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