Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"
Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Thu, 22 October 2020 15:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"
To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
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SpaceX IB Ex Parte (10-15-20).pdf <https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/101548191460/SpaceX%20IB%20Ex%20Parte%20(10-15-20).pdf> https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/101548191460/SpaceX%20IB%20Ex%20Parte%20(10-15-20).pdf This is their latest FCC application. Behcet On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:17 AM Alexandre Petrescu < alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Le 19/10/2020 à 21:17, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit : > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:12 AM Alexandre Petrescu > > <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Le 19/10/2020 à 17:58, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit : > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:20 AM Templin (US), Fred L > >> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> > > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com > > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Seems like an “IPv6-over-foo” document might be in order; anyone > >> care to____ > >> > >> join me on that?____ > >> > >> __ > >> > >> > >> IPv6-over-foo on Starlink section would look like > >> > >> TBD until more is revealed > > > > One in USA could look at the regulator's public database and find > > which frequency channel is allocated for Tesla for Starlink. > > > > > > > > It is 12GHz > > It seems you know that for sure? How? > > I could find some approved applications at FCC and they say more > frequency bands (around 18GHz, 19GHz, 28GHz and 30GHz), but not 12GHz. > https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-LIC-INTR2020-03068 > > There is a listof applications from this company to FCC, visible at > https://fcc.report/company/SpaceX-Services-Inc > > One would check themm all, to find out the frequencies and the names of > the manufacturers of devices. After that, one could see for the device > specifications. > > It might also be that the end user does not talk to satellite (like > Iridium users do) but to ground stations on WiFi, which them do talk to > satellites. At that point there would be no interest of > "IPv6-over-starlink" but a simpler "IPv6-over-WiFi-at-5GHz-in-USA". > > Alex > > > > > From that, one could find which encoders are available on that > > frequency. From that one could find which protocols are on it. It > > makes for a 'foo' in 'IPv6 over foo'. The link layer. > > > > > > I don't know how to do these? > > > > Behcet > > > > Alex > > > > > >> > >> Behcet > >> > >> __ > >> > >> Fred____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> *From:*Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com > > <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com> > >> <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com>>] > > *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 > >> 8:14 AM *To:* Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca > > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca> > >> <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>>>; 6man WG > > <ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> > >> <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>>> *Cc:* Templin > > (US), Fred L > >> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> > > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com > > <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> Thanks Michael, I'd like to know as much as possible how IPv6 > >> works in Starlink.____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> Behcet____ > >> > >> __ __ > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:47 PM Michael Richardson > > <mcr@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca> > >> <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>>> wrote:____ > >> > >> Anyone read anything more specific about what Starlink is doing > >> that is "simpler than IPv6"? > >> > >> I'd sure like to know that it permits end-terminal to end-terminal > >> communicatons without a trip through a data center. > >> > >> -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 > >> mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | > >> IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca > > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca> <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca > > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>> > >> http://www.sandelman.ca/ <http://www.sandelman.ca/> > > <http://www.sandelman.ca/ <http://www.sandelman.ca/>> | ruby > > on > >> rails [ > >> > >> > >> ____ > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org > > <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> Administrative > >> Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org > > <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org> Administrative Requests: > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >
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- Re: [atn] Embedding IP information in an IPv6 add… Templin (US), Fred L
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- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information… Mark Smith
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information… Mark Smith
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… 神明達哉
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Bob Hinden
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… otroan
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
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- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Fernando Gont
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- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… otroan
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… 神明達哉
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Philip Homburg
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Philip Homburg
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… otroan
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… otroan
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Bob Hinden
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Philip Homburg
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Ted Hardie
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Ole Troan
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Bob Hinden
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- RE: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] Embedding IP information in an IPv6 add… Michael Richardson
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Philip Homburg
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: [atn] Embedding IP information in an IPv6 add… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Michael Richardson
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Philip Homburg
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu