Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:54:18 -0600
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Cc: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>, "6man@ietf.org" <6man@ietf.org>
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 3:32 PM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > On Feb 14, 2021, at 4:00 PM, David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> wrote: > > So I recommend a small update to RFC4007, further quantify the necessary > uniqueness; > > Global scope, for uniquely identifying interfaces anywhere in the Internet > *or within the span of reachability for local-use addresses.* > > > I think this whole discussion may have something to do with why site-local > was deprecated, although I’m just guessing because I didn’t participate in > that discussion. > > My question to you is this: how does your proposed update help anybody to > understand? > > If we were to update the text, I would suggest something like this: > > Global scope, for uniquely identifying interfaces anywhere on the > Internet. Note that when we say an address is “globally unique,” this is a > definitional assertion: such an address is to be treated as globally unique > by hosts and routers. Mechanisms for ensuring that this definitional > assertion is not violated exist for each type of globally scoped address, > and in some cases rather than ensuring that a globally /scoped/ address is > in fact unique, these mechanisms ensure that the use of such addresses is > constrained to contexts in which they are /known/ to be unique. > > So when I read "uniquely identifying interfaces anywhere on the Internet", that suggests to me the entirety of the Internet, basically anywhere and everywhere, whether or not I can actually successfully get packets there or not. I think that statement needs to be qualified or limited by reachability in some way. It doesn't need to specifically mention local-use, but I think it clarifies the issue. The fact that someone else on the other side of the planet or even across the street is using the same ULA prefixes as me doesn't really matter because I can't get packets there, but that isn't that what that statement says. Thanks -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
- Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Richard Patterson
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… John Kristoff
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Richard Patterson
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- RE: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Yucel Guven
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- RE: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering