[IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix"
David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Tue, 25 November 2025 20:31 UTC
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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2025 14:31:05 -0600
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Subject: [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix"
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While I'm not strongly opposed to this idea, I have always liked that the IPv6 loopback address is a singular address rather than a prefix, as in IPv4. I don't think it is a major issue, and there are more than enough IPv6 addresses to define a lookback prefix for IPv6, instead of a singular loopback address. It won't cause a shortage by any means. I guess it is mostly a matter of taste. However, I would prefer a better justification than simply saying we did it that way in IPv4, which seems to be the primary justification. Note that if we go hard with this idea, the entire IPv6 loopback prefix should be added to the Locally-Served DNS Zones registry. https://www.iana.org/assignments/locally-served-dns-zones/locally-served-dns-zones.xhtml#ipv6 Thanks. On Tue, Nov 25, 2025 at 11:39 AM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote: > Dear 6MAN and V6OPS, > > Geoff Huston and I have just submitted draft-kumari-ipv6-loopback - "The > IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix" > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumari-ipv6-loopback/> > > We believe that it is within the 6MAN charter ("The 6man working group is > responsible for the maintenance, upkeep, and advancement of the IPv6 > protocol specifications and addressing architecture."), but I have CCed > V6OPS as well, as it is clearly operational as well. > > Abstract: > "This document updates the IP Version 6 Address Architecture to define the > IPv6 address prefix ::/32 as the Loopback address prefix." > > Basically, this document expands the single loopback address ::1/128 into > a prefix. > > Yes, we are aware that there have been some previous discussions[0] on the > need (or lack thereof!) of a loopback prefix in IPv6, but we believe that > they are worth revisiting. > > There are a number of situations in which having more than a single > address is helpful; an obvious example of this is Dockers/k8s use of > 127.0.0.11 for the DNS resolver, SPAM RBL use of the last octet on > 127.0.0.x to encode the type of SPAM. It is also relatively common it use > this for inter-service communication in container environments. > > It is also a common practice to bind different services to > different addresses in the IPv4 loopback space to allow for scaling > (avoiding the "Port already in use" issue), testing, etc. Yes, these can > be somewhat emulated with ULAs and / or additional interfaces and scopes, > but they are all more complicated, and much more likely to result in > leakage or collision. > > Another, more recent example is the ICANN Public Comment on "Name > Collision IPv6 Research Study" and proposed use of ::ffff:7f00:3535 [1] - > if there was a loopback prefix this would have been a better option[2] > > > We expect a fairly robust discussion :-), > W > > [0]: I know I've seen them, but I quick search of my mail was unable to > find these — the authors are more than happy to link to previous documents, > etc. > > [1]: See long threads on 6MAN > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/-HrYFMwHhsUWYxSXsFIkLpF_Qgk/ and > V6OPS. > > [2]: Solving the technical concerns, but not necessarily the policy ones. > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list -- v6ops@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to v6ops-leave@ietf.org > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Jeremy Duncan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Terry Sweetser
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… sthaug
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Templin (US), Fred L
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Templin (US), Fred L
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Bob Hinden
- [IPv6]New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefi… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Sebastian Moeller
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Antonis Chariton
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Philipp S. Tiesel
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Sebastian Moeller
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Michael Siegenthaler
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… tom petch
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Erik Kline
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumari-ip… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Arseny Maslennikov
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumar… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumar… Jen Linkova