Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA registry]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 14 December 2020 00:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA registry]
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Let's stipulate that this is true:

> This is a case where a ULA-C allocation per-customer would make sense, if
> it could be done for a non-recurring fee.

I see a challenge there. As sixxs and other examples have showed us, a
pro bono service will not live for ever. How can a ULA-C registry, even a
strictly non-profit one, live for ever if there is no annual fee?

Regards
   Brian

On 14-Dec-20 11:22, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>     > Right, that's an entirely different situation and I hope it will be a
>     > frequent one. We have several /3s spare. Should we dedicate a /3 to
>     > that class of usage, and figure out (with IANA and the RIRs) how to
>     > make such prefixes available for admin cost only, or even self-service
>     > free of charge along the lines Nico suggested?
> 
>     > (Because I'm thinking that for the full power of such mesh networking
>     > to be available, ULA-C would not be enough.)
> 
> Gosh, that would really be a good problem to have, wouldn't it?
> That's 2^40  /48s, right?
> 1,099,511,627,776, approximately 100 /48s per human.
> 
> I don't think we need to dedicate a /3 to this problem.
> It would, as David Farmer said, be dumb to replicate the
> RIPE/ARIN/etc. databases and whois systems, and the like just for this.
> David points out that Community Network allocation (a /40) is available
> for $250/year from ARIN.
> 
> That's still a bit painful and the definition is a bit unclear.
> 
> here is an industrial/IT case that I know of:
> The backplane of an IXIA testing chassis uses IPv4, 11.0.0.0/8.
> It could use ULA, but:
> a) it sometimes leaks packets and confuses people, especially IT.
>    (They need whois to diagnose what is happening.
>    11.0.0.0/8 also confuses them.... WTF is DNIC doing inside our firewall?)
> b) sometimes you want to link the chassis together across labs or even VPNs.
> 
> This is a case where a ULA-C allocation per-customer would make sense, if
> it could be done for a non-recurring fee.
> 
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>            Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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