Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments
Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Thu, 09 August 2012 15:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments
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Hi Sue, I am not sure about the division you are drawing. Consider SNMP ... it has both "get" and "set". I think for IRS or for any SDN application the below must be combined and the boundary you have drawn removed. Best, R. > Gert: > > How do you characterize network management? Traditionally network > management has been viewed in the IETF in two streams: monitoring > (active or passive) and configuration. > > What parts of these features do you think the IRS system needs to > avoid? > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gert Grammel Sent: > Monday, July 30, 2012 6:41 PM To: Thomas Nadeau; Lenny Giuliano; Alia > Atlas Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS > comments > > Tom, > > It is confusing to understand whether IRS belongs to a new network > management plane or if it's more of a control plane extension. The > draft wisely avoids this classification. To me IRS appears to be a > completely different beast which should best be characterized as > 'Network Programming Plane' NPP. It neither aims to do full > provisioning (as a management plane would do) nor aims to replace > routing (as a control plane would do). Hence we better name the baby > NPP -- thereby avoiding any linkage to taxation. > > > Gert > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org > <irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org> To: Lenny Giuliano; Alia Atlas Cc: > irs-discuss@ietf.org <irs-discuss@ietf.org> Sent: Tue Jul 31 01:50:40 > 2012 Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments > > > [Re-adding IRS] > > Thank you for reviewing and the comments. We will incorporate the > edits in the next rev. > > --Tom > > > On 7/30/12 5:04 PM, "Lenny Giuliano" <lenny@juniper.net> wrote: > >> >> Minor points: >> >> -section 4, para 2, 3rd sentence, "Howeve,r" >> >> -4.1.3 "There is no bidirectional programmatic interface to add, >> modify, remove or read state from the multicast RIB." -How is this >> unique to mcast? Couldn't you say the same thing about unicast? >> >> -4.1.3 "The multicast state added need not match to well-known >> protocol installed state. For instance, traffic received on an >> specified set, or all, interfaces that is destined to a particular >> prefix from all sources or a particular prefix could be subject to >> the specified replication." -Not clear to me at all what this para >> is saying. >> >> -"IRS"- you may want to select a different acronym that isn't >> related to something as unpopular as taxation (something we learned >> with AMT). Maybe RSI instead... >> >> Overall, I found the doc to be clearly written and >> straightforward. Sounds like Openflow for routers. Not sure if >> it's intentional that you didn't mention Openflow, but it did seem >> like an elephant in the room as I was reading thru. Also, I did >> wonder what was new and novel here, as this sounded like our SDK >> which has been around for years. >> >> >> -Lenny > > _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing > list irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss > _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing > list irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss > _______________________________________________ irs-discuss mailing > list irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss > >
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Scott Whyte
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Scott Whyte
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Shah, Himanshu
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Olen Stokes
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments David Lake (dlake)
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments David Lake (dlake)
- Re: [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
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- [irs-discuss] 答复: 答复: IRS comments Mach Chen
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Edward Crabbe
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
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