Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC0721F8514 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 05:21:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.64 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.64 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.462, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C2ZADG+pSk2J for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 05:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84DA21F84D1 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 05:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA5DLRVk011456; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:21:27 GMT Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-13b5.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.19.181]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA5DLOax011401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:21:26 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Ross Callon'" , "'Maglione Roberta'" , References: <282BBE8A501E1F4DA9C775F964BB21FE519702F264@GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local> <62CCD4C52ACDAD4481149BD5D8A72FD30251AA11@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <62CCD4C52ACDAD4481149BD5D8A72FD30251AA11@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:21:25 -0000 Message-ID: <00d901cdbb58$76572070$63056150$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DA_01CDBB58.765E4C60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIileaCQ9T6CSvo9QqWZnci+1k/xwHdf39+Ahbp7DmXEd/yAA== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: dward@cisco.com, 'Capello Alessandro' Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] Rough Draft IRS Charter X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:21:40 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DA_01CDBB58.765E4C60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00DB_01CDBB58.765E4C60" ------=_NextPart_001_00DB_01CDBB58.765E4C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The intention of the draft charter is to seed the list of use cases. The charter that you all put forward to the IESG (if you have consensus = to form a WG) needs to have an agreed list of use cases that the WG will work = on. =20 IMHO, this needs to be a closed list for initial work, with a way to add = further use cases if needed. I also think that the list in the charter needs to = be a fairly short list, and that will require the group to determine where = its wants to focus. =20 A =20 From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Ross Callon Sent: 04 November 2012 18:43 To: Maglione Roberta; irs-discuss@ietf.org Cc: dward@cisco.com; Capello Alessandro Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] Rough Draft IRS Charter =20 The draft charter says =93at least=94. Thus in my reading of this, the = current proposed text does not preclude other use cases.=20 =20 On the other hand, I think that initially, after the WG is chartered and = starts operating as a WG (assuming that this happens), we need to be careful to = avoid trying to take on so much work that we don=92t succeed in finishing any = of it.=20 =20 Ross (speaking only as an interested individual, giving my personal opinion) =20 From: Maglione Roberta [mailto:roberta.maglione@telecomitalia.it]=20 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:43 AM To: Ross Callon; irs-discuss@ietf.org Cc: dward@cisco.com; Capello Alessandro Subject: RE: Rough Draft IRS Charter =20 Hello,=20 I have a question on working item 2: =20 =93The working group is chartered to work on the following items: =20 2. Tightly scoped key use cases for operational use of IRS. These = use cases will include at least: a. Interactions with the RIB b. Association of routing policies with routing state c. The ability to extract information about topology from the = network =93 Does this bullet exclude the possibility to use IRS to gather = information about network measurements such as available bandwidth on a link, information = related to jitter delay for specific flows etc. ? =20 Thanks, Roberta=20 _____ =20 From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Ross Callon Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:55 PM To: irs-discuss@ietf.org Cc: Ross Callon; dward@cisco.com Subject: [irs-discuss] Rough Draft IRS Charter =20 Attached (in Word format) is a very rough initial draft charter (for a = potential IRS WG) that the BOF chairs have been discussing with our friendly = sponsoring routing area AD.=20 =20 Comments are welcome. We will be discussing the draft IRS WG charter in = Atlanta. =20 Thanks, Ross (with input from Dave and Adrian) =20 =20 =20 Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle = persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. Qualora = abbiate ricevuto questo documento per errore siete cortesemente pregati di darne immediata comunicazione al mittente e di provvedere alla sua = distruzione, Grazie.=20 This e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may contain = privileged information intended for the addressee(s) only. Dissemination, copying, = printing or use by anybody else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended = recipient, please delete this message and any attachments and advise the sender by = return e-mail, Thanks.=20 rispetta l'ambienteRispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non = =E8 necessario.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00DB_01CDBB58.765E4C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The intention of the draft = charter is to seed the list of use cases.

The charter that you all put = forward to the IESG (if you have consensus to form a WG) needs to have = an agreed list of use cases that the WG will work = on.

 

IMHO, this needs to be a = closed list for initial work, with a way to add further use cases if = needed. I also think that the list in the charter needs to be a fairly = short list, and that will require the group to determine where its wants = to focus.

 

A

 

From: = irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: 04 November 2012 = 18:43
To: Maglione Roberta; irs-discuss@ietf.org
Cc: = dward@cisco.com; Capello Alessandro
Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] = Rough Draft IRS Charter

 

The draft charter says “at = least”. Thus in my reading of this, the current proposed text does = not preclude other use cases.

 

On the other hand, I think that initially, = after the WG is chartered and starts operating as a WG (assuming that = this happens), we need to be careful to avoid trying to take on so much = work that we don’t succeed in finishing any of it.

 

Ross

(speaking only as an interested individual, = giving my personal opinion)

 

From: Maglione Roberta [mailto:roberta.maglione@telecomitalia.it] =
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:43 AM
To: Ross = Callon; irs-discuss@ietf.org
Cc: dward@cisco.com; Capello = Alessandro
Subject: RE: Rough Draft IRS Charter

 

Hello,

 I have a question on working item = 2:

 

“The working group is chartered to work on the = following items:

 

2.      =  Tightly scoped key use cases for operational use of = IRS. These use cases will include at least:

a.       = Interactions with the RIB

b.      = Association of routing policies with routing = state

c.       = The ability to extract information about topology from the = network

“

Does this bullet exclude the possibility to use = IRS to gather information about network measurements such as available = bandwidth on a link, information related to jitter delay for specific = flows etc. ?

 

Thanks,

Roberta

From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org= [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@i= etf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: Thursday, = October 18, 2012 5:55 PM
To: irs-discuss@ietf.org
Cc: Ross Callon; dward@cisco.com
Subject: = [irs-discuss] Rough Draft IRS Charter

 

Attached (in Word format) is a very rough initial draft = charter (for a potential IRS WG) that the BOF chairs have been = discussing with our friendly sponsoring routing area AD.

 

Comments are welcome. We will be discussing the draft IRS = WG charter in Atlanta.

 

Thanks, Ross

(with input from Dave and Adrian)

 

 

 

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