Return-Path: X-Original-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: irs-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF53C21F85DF for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbkvSv9W+CzX for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [72.71.250.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6822321F8604 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.79.162.178] (mobile-198-228-204-137.mycingular.net [198.228.204.137]) by lucidvision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FA1230C63F; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:54:43 -0500 (EST) References: <282BBE8A501E1F4DA9C775F964BB21FE519702F264@GRFMBX704BA020.griffon.local> <62CCD4C52ACDAD4481149BD5D8A72FD30251AA11@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <62CCD4C52ACDAD4481149BD5D8A72FD30251AA11@CH1PRD0510MB355.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BC0EA3DD-255D-45B0-9DD2-906024C35A63 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <69B5AE7C-5F7F-4E17-A6BC-28BD3E01A7C3@lucidvision.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: Thomas Nadeau Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:54:39 -0500 To: Ross Callon Cc: Capello Alessandro , Maglione Roberta , "dward@cisco.com" , "irs-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] Rough Draft IRS Charter X-BeenThere: irs-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System \(IRS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:55:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-BC0EA3DD-255D-45B0-9DD2-906024C35A63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Nov 4, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Ross Callon wrote: > The draft charter says =E2=80=9Cat least=E2=80=9D. Thus in my reading of t= his, the current proposed text does not preclude other use cases. agreed. I think that was the spirit of hat was proposed. > =20 > On the other hand, I think that initially, after the WG is chartered and s= tarts operating as a WG (assuming that this happens), we need to be careful t= o avoid trying to take on so much work that we don=E2=80=99t succeed in fini= shing any of it. agreed. Tom=20 > =20 > Ross > (speaking only as an interested individual, giving my personal opinion) > =20 > From: Maglione Roberta [mailto:roberta.maglione@telecomitalia.it]=20 > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:43 AM > To: Ross Callon; irs-discuss@ietf.org > Cc: dward@cisco.com; Capello Alessandro > Subject: RE: Rough Draft IRS Charter > =20 > Hello, > I have a question on working item 2: > =20 > =E2=80=9CThe working group is chartered to work on the following items: > =20 > 2. Tightly scoped key use cases for operational use of IRS. These use c= ases will include at least: > a. Interactions with the RIB > b. Association of routing policies with routing state > c. The ability to extract information about topology from the network > =E2=80=9C > Does this bullet exclude the possibility to use IRS to gather information a= bout network measurements such as available bandwidth on a link, information= related to jitter delay for specific flows etc. ? > =20 > Thanks, > Roberta > From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org] O= n Behalf Of Ross Callon > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:55 PM > To: irs-discuss@ietf.org > Cc: Ross Callon; dward@cisco.com > Subject: [irs-discuss] Rough Draft IRS Charter > =20 > Attached (in Word format) is a very rough initial draft charter (for a pot= ential IRS WG) that the BOF chairs have been discussing with our friendly sp= onsoring routing area AD. > =20 > Comments are welcome. 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On Nov 4, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Ro= ss Callon <rcallon@juniper.net= > wrote:

The draft charter says =E2=80= =9Cat least=E2=80=9D. Thus in my reading of this, the current proposed text d= oes not preclude other use cases.


agreed. I think that= was the spirit of hat was proposed.

 

On the other hand, I think t= hat initially, after the WG is chartered and starts operating as a WG (assum= ing that this happens), we need to be careful to avoid trying to take on so much work that we don=E2=80=99t succeed in finishing a= ny of it.


agreed.

Tom 

 

Ross

(speaking only as an intere= sted individual, giving my personal opinion)

 

From: Maglione Ro= berta [mailto:roberta.m= aglione@telecomitalia.it]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:43 AM
To: Ross Callon; irs-discuss@= ietf.org
Cc: dward@cisco.com; Capello A= lessandro
Subject: RE: Rough Draft IRS Charter

 

Hello,

 I have a question on wor= king item 2:

 

=E2=80=9CThe working group is chartered t= o work on the following items:

 

2.<= span style=3D"font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">     Tightly scoped key use c= ases for operational use of IRS. These use cases will include at least:=

a.    Interactions with the RIB

b.    Association of routing polici= es with routing state

c.    The ability to extract inform= ation about topology from the network

=E2=80=9C

Does this bullet exclude the p= ossibility to use IRS to gather information about network measurements such a= s available bandwidth on a link, information related to jitter delay for specific flows etc. ?

 

Thanks,

Roberta

From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org= [mailto:irs-discuss-bou= nces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ross Callon
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:55 PM
To: irs-discuss@ietf.org<= br> Cc: Ross Callon; dward@cisco.com
Subject: [irs-discuss] Rough Draft IRS Charter

 

Attached (in Word format) is a very rough= initial draft charter (for a potential IRS WG) that the BOF chairs have bee= n discussing with our friendly sponsoring routing area AD.

 

Comments are welcome. We will be discussi= ng the draft IRS WG charter in Atlanta.

 

Thanks, Ross

(with input from Dave and Adrian)

 

 

 

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