Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments
Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> Tue, 31 July 2012 02:12 UTC
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I do agree - and trying to describe IRS can be hard because of confusion as to whether it is a configuration protocol or ... It's really to support programmable networks - I rather like the idea of describing it as Network Programming Plane... Alia On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net> wrote: > Alia, > > My point was not about the abbreviation. It was about positioning IRS. > In the end IRS is not yet another MIB nor just another IGP extension. > > Gert > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> > To: Gert Grammel > Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org <irs-discuss@ietf.org> > Sent: Tue Jul 31 02:44:35 2012 > Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments > > We can consider other namings, whether NPP or RSI or other suggestions. > > I think we still have a bit of time and discussion for the > requirements before we have to finalize that. > > Alia > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Gert Grammel <ggrammel@juniper.net> wrote: >> Tom, >> >> It is confusing to understand whether IRS belongs to a new network management plane or if it's more of a control plane extension. The draft wisely avoids this classification. >> To me IRS appears to be a completely different beast which should best be characterized as 'Network Programming Plane' NPP. >> It neither aims to do full provisioning (as a management plane would do) nor aims to replace routing (as a control plane would do). >> Hence we better name the baby NPP -- thereby avoiding any linkage to taxation. >> >> >> Gert >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org <irs-discuss-bounces@ietf.org> >> To: Lenny Giuliano; Alia Atlas >> Cc: irs-discuss@ietf.org <irs-discuss@ietf.org> >> Sent: Tue Jul 31 01:50:40 2012 >> Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments >> >> >> [Re-adding IRS] >> >> Thank you for reviewing and the comments. We will incorporate the edits >> in the next rev. >> >> --Tom >> >> >> On 7/30/12 5:04 PM, "Lenny Giuliano" <lenny@juniper.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>Minor points: >>> >>>-section 4, para 2, 3rd sentence, "Howeve,r" >>> >>>-4.1.3 "There is no bidirectional programmatic interface to add, modify, >>> remove or read state from the multicast RIB." >>> -How is this unique to mcast? Couldn't you say the same thing >>> about unicast? >>> >>>-4.1.3 "The multicast state added need not match to well-known protocol >>> installed state. For instance, traffic received on an specified set, >>> or all, interfaces that is destined to a particular prefix from all >>> sources or a particular prefix could be subject to the specified >>> replication." >>> -Not clear to me at all what this para is saying. >>> >>>-"IRS"- you may want to select a different acronym that isn't related to >>>something as unpopular as taxation (something we learned with AMT). >>>Maybe >>>RSI instead... >>> >>>Overall, I found the doc to be clearly written and straightforward. >>>Sounds like Openflow for routers. Not sure if it's intentional that you >>>didn't mention Openflow, but it did seem like an elephant in the room as >>>I >>>was reading thru. Also, I did wonder what was new and novel here, as >>>this >>>sounded like our SDK which has been around for years. >>> >>> >>>-Lenny >> >> _______________________________________________ >> irs-discuss mailing list >> irs-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> irs-discuss mailing list >> irs-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Gert Grammel
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Lin Han
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Alia Atlas
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Thomas Nadeau
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Scott Whyte
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Susan Hares
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS comments Dutta, Pranjal K (Pranjal)
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