Re: [irs-discuss] draft-ward-irs-framework
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Mon, 30 July 2012 22:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] draft-ward-irs-framework
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Sounds good. Thank you. Joel On 7/30/2012 6:19 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > Joel, > > Thanks for the feedback. I think the problem-statement draft (now at > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atlas-irs-problem-statement-00) > focuses a bit more on the problem and less on the protocol aspects. > > The framework does try to describe the need for data models that have > semantic meaning included - and gives some ideas on what information > might want to be in some of those data-models. To get the details > correct, I think we'll want to drive from agreed upon specific > vertical use-cases. > > I do think that, assuming there is interest, we want to move forward > to use-cases and nail down a small set of data-models to focus on, at > least with their requirements. There could be multiple transfer > protocols, if we needed them, but it's quite premature to focus on the > protocol specifics now. > > As for the protocol, I tried to focus on the key aspects and/or goals > that we think the interface needs to have. I do apologize for the > extensive use of "streaming" in the doc - I added the key aspects part > and obviously didn't prune out the streaming adjective everywhere. > The intent was to to imply the asynchronous, duplex nature - not, say, > TCP like streaming. > > Alia > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote: >> As far as I can tell, the document could use signifiantly more clarity on >> the problem to be solved, and the information modeling gaps that appear to >> exist, and much less (maybe none) discussion of why a new protocol is >> needed. It seems to me that the descriptions of existing protocols tend to >> be based on assumptions that are not borne out by the rest of the document. >> >> As an example, the assumption that the solution must be some form of >> streaming (whatever that means) is not grounded in the document. >> >> Yours, >> Joel M. Halpern >> >> >> On 7/29/2012 12:39 PM, Thomas Nadeau wrote: >>> >>> >>> We wanted to kick off the discussion here about the framework >>> draft. What do you think? How can this be improved? Are we on the right >>> track? >>> >>> The (proposed) Framework can be found here: >>> >>> http://lucidvision.com/draft-ward-irs-framework-00.txt >>> >>> We will be sending out a problem statement draft later today as >>> well. >>> >>> --Tom, Alia, Ward >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> irs-discuss mailing list >>> irs-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> irs-discuss mailing list >> irs-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss >
- [irs-discuss] draft-ward-irs-framework Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] draft-ward-irs-framework Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [irs-discuss] draft-ward-irs-framework Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] draft-ward-irs-framework Joel M. Halpern