Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward
Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@juniper.net> Thu, 02 August 2012 22:32 UTC
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From: Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@juniper.net>
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Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:31:39 -0400
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I agree that one of the top work items for this effort should be a standardized topology function, and one that is accessible via a non-routing protocol. While not exactly "low hanging fruit", it is something that (to me) is a clear work item with clear goals that should be tackled straight away. --Tom On 8/2/12 3:24 PM, "James Kempf" <james.kempf@ericsson.com> wrote: >So after seeing part of Alia's talk this morning (I had to leave in the >middle unfortunately), I'd like to make a couple suggestions. There were >a lot of ideas presented in the talk, enough for an entire IETF Area. I >think to make tangible progress, the work needs to be focussed on a small >subset that would be of immediate interest and usability. > >There are a couple areas that suggest themselves, but one that would be >useful in work that I've been involved in is a standardized format for >network topology representation and a protocol for exchanging it. The >Onix OpenFlow controller has a network information base with a >specialized format for network topology, and every OpenFlow controller >requires this. Having a standardized way to represent it might foster a >common topology database package. Another application is network >management. Every network management system needs some kind of topology >representation. Finally, though I am not an expert in PCE construction, >it would seem to me that a PCE would need some kind of topology >representation in order to perform path calculations. Having a way,for >example, for the OpenFlow controller and the PCE to exchange topology >information would be really useful. I would say to start with physical >topology because that is fundamental, but make the format flexible enough >to support > virtual topology representation. > > jak >_______________________________________________ >irs-discuss mailing list >irs-discuss@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss
- [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward James Kempf
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward James Kempf
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Jan Medved (jmedved)
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Jan Medved (jmedved)
- [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS stefano previdi
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Y. Richard Yang
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Y. Richard Yang
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Volker Hilt
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Y. Richard Yang
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] [alto] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Greg Bernstein
- Re: [irs-discuss] [alto] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Greg Bernstein
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Hannes Gredler
- Re: [irs-discuss] About ALTO Vs. BGP-LS Volker Hilt
- Re: [irs-discuss] [alto] About ALTO, BGP-LS, IRS Greg Bernstein
- Re: [irs-discuss] [Idr] [alto] About ALTO, BGP-LS… Hannes Gredler
- Re: [irs-discuss] Suggestions for IRS Way Forward Susan Hares