[irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] [E-impact] Network Equipment Energy Efficiency Metric
Dean Bogdanovic <ivandean@gmail.com> Tue, 12 November 2024 17:20 UTC
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From: Dean Bogdanovic <ivandean@gmail.com>
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I’m really curious how many people understand how electrical grid operates, the difference between active, reactive and apparent power in electrical grid. And how the grip operators are balancing power plants to maintain the needed power levels, how the operators decide between economic dispatch, grid stability and frequency regulation, environmental regulations and emissions , operational flexibility at the power plants etc. Until we do, I would not speak about CO2 emissions and other complex energy and traffic engineering relations. Lets first figure out how to report energy consumption by the networks, from very basic power consumers (SFPs) to more complex, like topologies. And provide the ability to provide the energy consumption information about an element, group of elements, part of network or even whole network to people who will know what to do with the info. Dean On 12 Nov 2024, at 14:59, Mark Butcher wrote: > What’s interesting is seeing how kWh/GB is so variable – either > based on network demand, the reality of the power curve and most > importantly for me, when translated into CO2e how the variability > massively increases (time and location) > > > From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> > Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2024 at 14:32 > To: green@ietf.org <green@ietf.org>, E-Impact IETF > <e-impact@ietf.org>, irtf-discuss@irtf.org <irtf-discuss@irtf.org> > Subject: [Green] Re: [E-impact] Network Equipment Energy Efficiency > Metric > > Is is useful for network planners to know kWh/peak-GB for an entire > infrastructure? > > This doesn't try to model reaction of network equipment to increased > flows, > but rather to model how infrastructure grows to accomodate higher peak > loads? > > There is also an induced demand issue. Networks grow when they fill, > assuming there is revenue to support it. This is akin to > transportation: > https://www.vtpi.org/gentraf.pdf > > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- *I*LIKE*TRAINS* > _______________________________________________ > Green mailing list -- green@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to green-leave@ietf.org
- [irtf-discuss] Network Equipment Energy Efficienc… Hesham ElBakoury
- [irtf-discuss] Re: Network Equipment Energy Effic… Marie-Jose Montpetit
- [irtf-discuss] Re: Network Equipment Energy Effic… Joel Halpern
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: Network Equipment … Dean Bogdanovic
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: Re: Network Equipm… Toerless Eckert
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] Network Equipment E… Michael Richardson
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: [E-impact] Network… Mark Butcher
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: [E-impact] Network… Toerless Eckert
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] [E-impact] Network Equ… Dean Bogdanovic
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] [E-impact] Network Equ… Mark Butcher
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] Re: [Green] Network… Hesham ElBakoury
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: [E-impact] Network… Tony Li
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] [Green] Re: Network… Tony Li
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] [Green] Re: Network… Toerless Eckert
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] Re: [Green] Network… Hesham ElBakoury
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] Re: [Green] Network… Mark Butcher
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] Re: [Green] Network… Hesham ElBakoury
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: [E-impact] Network… Toerless Eckert
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] [E-impact] Network Equ… Dean Bogdanovic
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: Network Equipment … Dean Bogdanovic
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: Network Equipment … Toerless Eckert
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [E-impact] Re: [Green] Network… Mark Butcher
- [irtf-discuss] Re: [Green] Re: Network Equipment … Loa Andersson