Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Renew Your Commitment to the Internet ...
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Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Renew Your Commitment to the Internet ...
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Richard, Thanks for contributing some facts, but I don't believe that any of these lists should tolerate the propagation of blatant and dangerous untruths, so I request the various list managers to take appropriate actions to prevent any recurrence. Regards Brian Carpenter On 15-Jan-21 08:31, Richard Hill wrote: > While a debate on the COVID pandemic is outside the scope of this list, I feel obliged to make an observation regarding point (1) below. > > I attach the excess mortality graph for Geneva, which is similar to that for Switzerland as a whole (and also for other countries). This shows the total number of deaths over time, without attributing the deaths to any particular cause. > > So if it is not COVID that caused the deaths, then it must be something else which is also highly correlated with results of COVID tests. > > Best, > Richard > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces@elists.isoc.org] On >> Behalf Of willi uebelherr via InternetPolicy >> Sent: Thursday, 14 January, 2021 19:56 >> To: ISOC Internet Policy; IETF discussion; IRTF discuss; IGF governance >> Cc: Andrew Sullivan >> Subject: Re: [Internet Policy] Renew Your Commitment to the Internet ... >> >> >> Dear Andrew, >> >> i agree with you and your presentation in many points. Especially when >> it comes to the potentials of an InterNet. I focus my disagreement on 2 >> issues: >> >> 1) There is no Corona/Covid pandemic, only a plandemic, i.e. a staged >> Corona theater. >> 2) There is no InterNet on our planet, only TnterStar systems. >> >> >> to 1) Corona/Covid >> >> This topic is simpler for this receiver circle. From the regional >> statistical data for all regions on our planet it is true that there was >> no over-mortality compared to the last years. But for this we cannot use >> absolute numbers, we have to look at the percentage per age group. >> >> And there are no Sars-Cov-2 infections, because a Rt-PCR test cannot >> detect infection and infectivity. For that, any person with symptoms of >> disease must undergo a clinical examination. >> >> Today there is no flu and influenza. All respiratory diseases today are >> declared as covid-19. >> >> And we have no Covid deaths, because with very few exceptions in >> Germany, there are no autopsies worldwide that can prove an actual >> Sars-Cov-2 virus, if such a virus exists at all, and can justify it as >> the cause of death. >> >> to 2) InterNet >> >> The name Internet goes back to "Inter-connection of local Net-works". >> And there is no such thing, because there are no local networks either. >> Strictly speaking, each community, small or large, must build its own >> local and autonomous network, which then connects to its neighbors >> around it. If the communities do this, an InterNet can be created. >> >> Furthermore, we must move away from the privatization of addresses and >> names. My proposal for this: 128 bit IP address (like IPv6), divided >> into 2 x 64 bit addresses for global and local. The global address rests >> on the GeoLocation of 2 x 32 bit angles from WCS84. The local address >> structure is insignificant in the global and must be understood only in >> the local network. >> >> Accordingly, only ccTLDs are used in the DNS system and managed >> regionally. >> >> The problems of your InterStar system are due to the private and >> governmental control and occupation of these systems and can only be >> solved if the communities generate a telecommunication in the form of a >> TnterNet themselves. >> >> with many greetings, willi >> Asuncion, Paraguay >> >> >> >> Am 14.01.2021 um 10:44 schrieb Andrew Sullivan, Internet Society: >>> from Internet Society has sent you an email but it appears that your >> email client only allows plain text. >>> >>> Please copy and paste the following link to view the contents of this >> email: >>> http://portal.internetsociety.org/622619/bulletin/ViewSent/... >> >> Dear willi, >> >> The beginning of a new calendar is often a time to start afresh, and to >> look forward with hope and anticipation. For many, this year is perhaps >> not quite so fresh. Many of us are living with various degrees of >> political uncertainty, historical injustices, or both. Many of us are >> still uncertain of the long-term economic effects of COVID-19. And >> almost all of us remain under the shadow of the pandemic itself, with >> anticipation of vaccination battling with anxiety from new variants and, >> in many places, indifferent management of the crisis. >> >> Yet there is reason for us to look forward with hope, and to renew our >> commitment that the Internet is for everyone. >> >> For perhaps 100,000 years, people have been using tools and symbols to >> extend our reach, expand our capabilities, and work together to make our >> societies better. The Internet is a profoundly human tool. It is made to >> let us communicate and collaborate. And it works! When the pandemic came >> and we were unable to be together in person we could still reach one >> another to work, to learn, and to express our love and frustration and >> loneliness. >> >> The Internet made this possible. It did so without any central >> authority, and without needing involvement from people keen to invent >> ways to tell the Internet to do what it already does by design. This is >> the first lesson we, the Internet Society, must take from 2020. The >> Internet way of networking must be promoted and defended. It works. When >> we do things the Internet way, we put power and control in the hands of >> people and communities who can build what they need with remarkably >> modest resources. With such a clear example of the importance of the >> Internet, governments and societies around the world are having another >> look at it. Some of the things people propose would damage or splinter >> the Internet, or permanently undermine it. Other proposals will make the >> Internet better for everyone. The Internet Society must encourage >> proposals that promote the critical properties that give us the Internet >> and discourage proposals that work against those critical properties. >> There are people all over the world, private corporations and >> governments alike, who want the Internet to be turned into a >> centrally-controlled, tightly managed, but sterile service that would >> leave all humanity poorer. We, the Internet Society, advocate the true >> Internet instead. >> >> The true Internet brings us to the second lesson from 2020. For too >> many, the promise the Internet offered was a false one because they had >> inadequate access or no access at all. This is unacceptable. We must >> continue our work until every single person who wants access to the >> Internet can have it. And it must be the open, globally-connected, >> secure, and trustworthy Internet — the one that does not stop at a >> country's border or provide access to only selected services. It must be >> the Internet that invites us to create new possibilities with it. >> >> This is what we work for. For 2021 we have produced a plan of concrete, >> measurable actions we will take in the service of these aims. We will >> keep working to bring together the people and technology that are needed >> to give everyone the access they want. We will not stop our efforts to >> strengthen the Internet — through initiatives that support and enhance >> its open architecture, and that preserve the model on which it was >> built. We will redouble our efforts to do more with others, and to build >> up our community's strength, to bring to reality our vision that the >> Internet is for everyone. Join us at 13:00 UTC on 28 January, when we >> will come together as a community to explore this plan. >> >> Regards, >> Andrew Sullivan >> President & CEO >> Internet Society >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To manage your Internet Society subscriptions >> or unsubscribe, log into the Member Portal at >> https://admin.internetsociety.org/622619/User/Login >> and go to the Preferences tab within your profile. >> - >> View the Internet Society Code of Conduct: >> https://www.internetsociety.org/become-a-member/code-of-conduct/
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Renew Your Commitment to the I… willi uebelherr
- Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Renew Your C… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Renew Your C… Dean Norris
- Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Renew Your C… Richard Hill
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