[irtf-discuss] Re: some rant ... Re: [Green] [E-impact] Re: Draft Charter for an IRTF Proposed Research Group: Sustainability and the Internet Research Group (SUSTAIN RG)

[Toerless Eckert <[e-mail]>]

On Sat, Nov 09, 2024 at 09:51:23AM +0000, Michael Welzl wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Here are my two cents (and I hope my co-chairs agree). I’m removing all but irtf-discuss: in the SUSTAIN RG side meeting, we decided that the conversation should continue there - I don’t think this needs so many recipients.

Thanks a lot. Lets me use this opportunity to get just one rant about the "GREEN" WG
off my chest before hopefully returning to more productive input.

I think it is potentially damaging to the reputation of the IETF to call a
working group "GREEN", when is about anything but green (IMHO)!

To me, green primarily means the migration to renewable/sustainable sources of
energy. But the GREEN working group decided to explicitly not be that:

1. It does exclude any form of inclusion of thoughts about carbon from the charter.
   Even the most simple of thoughts i suggested, such as allowing metadata for
   energy metrics that indicates the energy source (mix), such as 80% renewable or
   the like was not included.

2. The name itself does not actually mean "green" as i and hopefully most other
   people (outside IETF) understand it, but its instead a clever abbreviation for
   "Getting Ready for Energy-Efficient Networking". 

So, i very much hope that our sustain RG will do better towards an actual green
Internet.

And btw: I hope and think the work of the GREEN WG is going to be very good and
useful, just those two points bug the heck out of me.

Cheers
    Toerless