Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Prize (ANRP) awards for IETF 109
Philipp Richter <richterp@csail.mit.edu> Wed, 30 September 2020 19:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Prize (ANRP) awards for IETF 109
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Broadening the scope of *nominations* could clearly help increasing the influx of interesting and relevant works. Actual decisions on which nominated papers receive an *award*, however, should be based on the merit of the nominated papers, and their relevance to the IETF/IRTF, and not on preference (or non-preference) for specific venues. Everything else would undermine the value of an ANRP award, and ultimately discourage people from nominating high-quality papers for an ANRP award. (just my 2 cents) --Philipp On 30.09.20 11:15, Colin Perkins wrote: >> On 30 Sep 2020, at 00:07, Rodney Van Meter <rdv=40sfc.wide.ad.jp@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >> >> As always, the *individuals* being awarded are highly worthy. I have no complaints against them or their advisors or their work. >> >> But when the *system* bubbles up from the same sources again and again, then a lot of *current* good work goes unrecognized, and the people and institutions on the margins aren’t encouraged, and new blood stops coming in. >> >> I’m not tracking networking conferences as closely as I used to (ask me about quantum, though!), but I’ll try to check some of smaller venues for recent interesting work for this year’s nominations. There are a lot of regional conferences and smaller workshops where, to be frank, much of the work counts as a good first step, but there are also gems out there. It shouldn’t always be SIGCOMM, INFOCOM, NSDI. > > Absolutely – the challenge is finding such venues, and the people who can identify and nominate the work that doesn’t reach the mainstream, but that might be interesting and relevant. > > If you know of anyone that can help find such work, please put me, or one of the other award committee members, in touch with them, so we can try to broaden the pool of nominations. > > And, equally, please suggest people to serve on the award committee in future years that can help widen its reach. We rotated some new people in this year, but I know we can broaden it still further. > > Colin > > > > >> Again, congrats to this time’s winners, good work! >> >> —Rod >> >> Rodney Van Meter >> rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp >> Professor, Faculty of Environment and Information Studies, Keio University, Japan >> >>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:57, Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Colin, >>> >>> FWIW, it would be nice if these awards didn’t constantly seem to go to groups already heavily entrenched in the IETF (granted the students are new, but the advisors don’t seem to be). >>> >>> Joe >>> >> > > >
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Joseph Touch
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Colin Perkins
- Re: [irtf-discuss] [IRTF-Announce] Applied Networ… Raymond Mamattah
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Rodney Van Meter
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Simon Leinen
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Colin Perkins
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Philipp Richter
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Applied Networking Research Pr… Colin Perkins