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"Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu> Thu, 15 July 2021 21:04 UTC

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From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, Andrew Babakian <Andrew.Babakian@student.uts.edu.au>, irtf-discuss@irtf.org, steve@shinkuro.com, Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 17:03:56 -0400
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Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] NSRG Archives
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On 15 Jul 2021, at 17:01, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> On 16-Jul-21 00:54, Lars Eggert wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2021-7-15, at 6:44, Andrew Babakian 
>> <Andrew.Babakian@student.uts.edu.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a research student in namespaces. I found your website but can 
>>> see that the NSRG is concluded.
>>>
>>> Inquiring to see if there is an archive of the discussions from this 
>>> group?
>>
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/ doesn't seem to have list archives 
>> for NSRG. I am CC'ing the former RG chairs to see if any of them have 
>> a private repo that they could make available (to you, and to 
>> mailarchive.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lars
>
> A couple of points:
>
> 1. This was an invitational IRTF research group, i.e. a closed group, 
> which was not unusual at the time. It was set up at the IAB's request 
> after the workshop that led to RFC2956 (see 
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2956.html#section-3.1). Its mailing 
> list was hosted "elsewhere", so no public archive.
>
> 2. As is always possible for a research group, it didn't reach 
> consensus. Not everybody agreed with the draft and some people 
> strongly disagreed, but didn't write up their own conclusions. In 
> other words, draft-irtf-nsrg-report-10 is *a* result of the work, not 
> *the* result.
>
> I have 122 messages that were sent to nsrg@stevecrocker.com in 
> 1999-2004. Since it was an invitational group, I'm not sure what the 
> ethics are of releasing them.
>
Yes, that's my issue, too.

         —Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb

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