Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 bits address space ?
Masataka Ohta <mohta@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Thu, 22 August 2019 10:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 bits address space ?
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Fred Baker wrote: > Actually, I would argue that the essential paragraph is the first > sentence of the introduction. Read the paper. The first sentence of the introduction is: Choosing the proper boundaries between functions is perhaps the primary activity of the computer system designer. not very essential. > The paragraph you quote is commonly > quoted, The paragraph is commonly quoted, because, just after the paragraph, it is stated: We call this line of reasoning against low-level function implementation the "end-to-end argument." thus, the paragraph is the principle of the end to end argument. > but the introduction is far more applicable and useful. Read the paper. The paragraph is in the introduction. > "The principle, called the end-to-end argument, suggests that > functions placed at low levels of a system may be redundant or of > little value when compared with the cost of providing them at that > low level." That statement is on something suggested by the principle and, compared to the principle itself, of secondary importance. > But even that has issues; in multicast or > anycast, the application at most selects the service, if you want redundant multicast or anycast service, there should be multiple multicast or anycast addresses offering the same service, from which, applications choose the working ones. PIM with a single rendez-vous point has no redundancy and anycast is, as is exemplified by multiple addresses of anycast DNS root servers, for load distribution, not for redundancy. Masataka Ohta
- [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 bits… shyam bandyopadhyay
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Smith
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Roland Bless
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Brian Carpenter
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Roland Bless
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Sam Kerner
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Lixia Zhang
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Allman
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Nico Williams
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Tom Herbert
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Roland Bless
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Smith
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Musa Stephen Honlue
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Mark Smith
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Michael
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … John Levine
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … shyam bandyopadhyay
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fred Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … John Wroclawski
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fred Baker
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Masataka Ohta
- Re: [irtf-discuss] Why do we need to go with 128 … Fernando Gont