Re: [Isis-wg] I-D Action:draft-ietf-isis-layer2-05.txt

[Peter Ashwood-Smith <[e-mail]>]

The reason we all go to standards bodies is to contribute/debate/participate
in the evolution of the Internet.

I've been able to debate/participate openly with the Trill folks over the
last few years, they publish minutes, have an email list, regular meetings
etc. etc.

I've been able to debate openly with the IEEE 802.1aq folks over the last
few years, minutes, email lists, regular meetings etc.

Please explain to me where and when I've had the opportunity to debate OTV
and why that is not a problem?

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
Of Hasmit Grover
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:17 PM
To: Fedyk, Donald (Don)
Cc: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] I-D Action:draft-ietf-isis-layer2-05.txt


Donald,

As per draft-ietf-isis-layer it's intent is to capture the IS-IS extensions
used by protocols running over L2. Like other protocols mentioned in the
draft, OTV is also an L2 protocol which is using some of the TLVs mentioned
in the draft. It is really important that all the IS-IS TLV codepoints are
captured in a single document so that different implementations can inter-op
with each other. 

-Hasmit

On May 4, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Fedyk, Donald (Don) wrote:

> Hi Dhananjaya
> 
> It is rather unprecedented to have material published in a WG document
before it is in an individual draft and there is a consensus to add it. 
> 
> So for the changes for OTV they really should go in an individual draft
and be discussed on their own merits.  
> 
> Do you and your authors agree? 
> 
> Don 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
Of Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:45 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] I-D Action:draft-ietf-isis-layer2-05.txt
> 
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> We're just catching up on the discussions on the mailing list regarding
the L2 IS-IS draft-ietf-isis-layer2-04.txt. As the authors of OTV, we'd like
to clarify any doubts or concerns regarding the extensions used by OTV.
> 
> Briefly, OTV uses the L2 IS-IS extensions being defined to provide a
solution for interconnecting datacenter networks. An I-D describing the
solution has been recently published at
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hasmit-otv-00.
> 
> OTV shares along with TRILL/802.1aq several of the PDU/TLVs that have been
defined in this draft. There are of course a few additional sub-TLVs defined
specifically for OTV:
> 
> - A couple of hello extensions to advertise L2 site membership and
>  capabilities.
> - A group membership sub-TLV to advertise multicast source information.
> 
> The solution is already being deployed in several enterprise networks and
a final product with this solution is shipping soon. Given the multiple
technologies using L2 IS-IS, we'd like to ensure the extensions and
codepoints are published in a common document to aid interoperable
implementations.
> 
> Please let us know if you have any questions.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Dhananjaya (for the authors)
> 
> 
>> 
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the IS-IS for IP Internets Working Group 
>> of the IETF.
>> 
>> 
>> 	Title           : Extensions to IS-IS for Layer-2 Systems
>> 	Author(s)       : A. Banerjee, et al.
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-isis-layer2-05.txt
>> 	Pages           : 60
>> 	Date            : 2010-04-30
>> 
>> This document specifies the IS-IS extensions necessary to support 
>> multi-link IPv4 and IPv6 networks, as well as to provide true link 
>> state routing to any protocols running directly over layer 2.  While 
>> supporting this concept involves several pieces, this document only 
>> describes extensions to IS-IS.  We leave it to the systems using these 
>> IS-IS extensions to explain how the information carried in IS-IS is 
>> used.
>> 
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-isis-layer2-05.txt
>> 
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>> 
>> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader 
>> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the 
>> Internet-Draft.
>> 
>> <ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-isis-layer2-05.txt>
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