Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter
Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Thu, 25 January 2018 12:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter
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Les I agree wrt L2 Isn't another focus collecting the information to feed into an SDN controller via BGP-LS? That is really network layer state collection rather than routing in the traditional sense. - Stewart On 24/01/2018 23:09, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > > It occurred to me after sending this that perhaps a better statement > as regards IS-IS would be: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 and Layer 2 routing…” > > though admittedly there isn’t much going on as regards Layer2 and > IS-IS at the moment. > > Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Les > Ginsberg (ginsberg) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:33 PM > *To:* Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) > <acee@cisco.com>; Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> > *Cc:* OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org>; isis-wg@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Since a charter only provides a general definition of the work that > falls within the purview of the WG it requires some adjunct to keep > track of the current priorities. > > That could be the list of milestones (which OSPF has regularly > maintained – but IS-IS has not) – or it could simply be the list of > active WG documents. > > I just don’t see that we should expect the charter to express “work in > progress” now – or in the future. > > Alia – do you think the statement about IS-IS: > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP routing…” > > Could be improved by saying > > “LSR’s work is focused on IP/IPv6 routing…” > > ??? > > Les > > *From:*Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:01 AM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com <mailto:acee@cisco.com>>; > Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com <mailto:akatlas@gmail.com>> > *Cc:* OSPF List <ospf@ietf.org <mailto:ospf@ietf.org>>; > isis-wg@ietf.org <mailto:isis-wg@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Yes that fixes that. > > How about: > > s/The following topics are expected to be an initial focus:/ In > addition to ongoing maintenance, the following topics are expected to > be an initial focus:/ > > I am just concerned that we need not to loose focus on work in progress. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:54, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > How about: > > LSR will coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their extensions to the > LSR IGPs as > > applicable to LSV protocol operation and scale. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > *From: *Isis-wg > <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org><mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org>on > behalf of Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com><mailto:akatlas@gmail.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:42 PM > *To: *Stewart Bryant > <stewart.bryant@gmail.com><mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com> > *Cc: *OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org><mailto:ospf@ietf.org>, > "isis-wg@ietf.org"<mailto:isis-wg@ietf.org><isis-wg@ietf.org><mailto:isis-wg@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter > > Hi Stewart, > > Thanks for the quick feedback. Feel free to provide suggestions > for text changes if you have them. > > You've certainly written enough charters :-) > > Regards, > > Alia > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Stewart Bryant > <stewart.bryant@gmail.com<mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Alia, > > I think that this merger is long overdue, and hopefully it > will help new features to be written in an aligned way. > > I think the remit to perform general maintenance should > slightly clarified since the way the charter is written they > look like they are at a lower priority than the enumerated list. > > I would have thought that "LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and > BIER on their extensions " should have been more directive. > > - Stewart > > On 24/01/2018 17:18, Alia Atlas wrote: > > Here is the proposed charter for the LSR working group > > that will be created from the SPF and ISIS working groups. > > This is scheduled for internal review for the IESG > telechat on February 8. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lsr/ > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group is chartered to > document current protocol implementation practices and > improvements, protocol usage scenarios, maintenance and > extensions of link-state routing interior gateway > protocols (IGPs) with a focus on IS-IS, OSPFv2, and > OSPFv3. The LSR Working Group is formed by merging the > isis and ospf WGs and will take on all their existing > adopted work at the time of chartering. > > IS-IS is an IGP specified and standardized by ISO through > ISO 10589:2002 and additional RFC standards with > extensions to support IP that has been deployed in the > Internet for decades. For the IS-IS protocol, LSR’s work > is focused on IP routing, currently based on the agreement > in RFC 3563 with ISO/JTC1/SC6. The LSR WG will interact > with other standards bodies that have responsible for > standardizing IS-IS. > > OSPFv2 [RFC 2328 and extensions], is an IGP that has been > deployed in the Internet for decades. OSPFv3 [RFC5340 and > extensions] provides OSPF for IPv6 and IPv4 [RFC5838] > which can be delivered over IPv6 or IPv4 [RFC 7949]. > > The LSR Working Group will generally manage its specific > work items by milestones agreed with the responsible Area > Director. > > The following topics are expected to be an initial focus: > > 1) Improving OSPF support for IPv6 and extensions using > OSPFv3 LSA Extendibility. > > 2) Extensions needed for Segment Routing and associated > architectural changes > > 3) YANG models for IS-IS, OSPFv2, and OSPFv3 and extensions > > 4) Extensions for source-destination routing > [draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing] > > 5) Potentially, extensions to better support specific > network topologies such as > > ones commonly used in data centers. > > The Link-State Routing (LSR) Working Group will coordinate > with other working groups, such as RTGWG, SPRING, MPLS, > TEAS, V6OPS, and 6MAN, to understand the need for > extensions and to confirm that the planned work meets the > needs. LSR can coordinate with CCAMP and BIER on their > extensions to the LSR IGPs as useful. LSR may coordinate > with other WGs as needed. > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org<mailto:Isis-wg@ietf.org> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg >
- [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Alia Atlas
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Alia Atlas
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Alia Atlas
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] [OSPF] Link-State Routing WG charter Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Alia Atlas
- Re: [Isis-wg] [OSPF] Link-State Routing WG charter Alia Atlas
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Isis-wg] [OSPF] Link-State Routing WG charter Julien Meuric
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Isis-wg] [OSPF] Link-State Routing WG charter Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Alia Atlas
- Re: [Isis-wg] [OSPF] Link-State Routing WG charter Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Isis-wg] [OSPF] Link-State Routing WG charter Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Isis-wg] Link-State Routing WG charter Alia Atlas