Re: [Isis-wg] New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd-discriminator-00.txt
Hannes Gredler <hannes@juniper.net> Tue, 20 May 2014 15:28 UTC
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From: Hannes Gredler <hannes@juniper.net>
To: Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com>
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Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, "isis-wg@ietf.org list" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd-discriminator-00.txt
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hi mach, having a registry which is under 'expert-review' and given that one of those experts is the WG chair, allows us to have some some 'flexibility' for early implementers. /hannes On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 08:21:24AM +0000, Mach Chen wrote: | Les, | | Yes, if there are early implementations, a code point is necessary and a formal early allocation process is needed as well. | | Best regards, | Mach | | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com] | > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 9:45 PM | > To: Mach Chen; Hannes Gredler | > Cc: isis-wg@ietf.org list | > Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] New Version Notification for | > draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd-discriminator-00.txt | > | > Mach - | > | > The issue is what to do with early implementations. In general we encourage | > people to implement drafts so as to gain experience and identfiy any issues ("we | > believe in running code..."). If the codepoints change between the time it | > becomes a WG doc and the time it becomes an RFC this can present issues for | > early implementations. | > | > Although a more formal early allocation process is needed (and has been recently | > discussed) - and this draft is not yet a WG doc - which would be necessary to | > qualify for early allocation - I think specifying a code point is a better strategy. | > | > Les | > | > > -----Original Message----- | > > From: Mach Chen [mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com] | > > Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 3:10 AM | > > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); Hannes Gredler | > > Cc: isis-wg@ietf.org list | > > Subject: RE: [Isis-wg] New Version Notification for | > > draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd- discriminator-00.txt | > > | > > Les and Hannes, | > > | > > A better way to avoid conflict is not to specify a particular code in | > > the draft, and just using TBD instead. | > > | > > Best regards, | > > Mach | > > | > > > -----Original Message----- | > > > From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Les | > > Ginsberg | > > > (ginsberg) | > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 11:35 PM | > > > To: Hannes Gredler | > > > Cc: isis-wg@ietf.org list | > > > Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] New Version Notification for | > > > draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd-discriminator-00.txt | > > > | > > > Hannes - | > > > | > > > You are right - though I was looking at the latest link on the IS-IS WG page. | > > :-) | > > > | > > > Anyways, no problem w resolving the conflict - we will specify a | > > > different | > > value in | > > > the next version. | > > > | > > > Les | > > > | > > > | > > > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > From: Hannes Gredler [mailto:hannes@juniper.net] | > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:23 AM | > > > > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) | > > > > Cc: isis-wg@ietf.org list | > > > > Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] New Version Notification for | > > > > draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd- discriminator-00.txt | > > > > | > > > > les, | > > > > | > > > > you are not looking at the latest doc. | > > > > | > > > > please see | > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- | > > > > extensions/?include_text=1 | > > > > | > > > > section 4.3 | > > > > | > > > > /hannes | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > On May 14, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: | > > > > | > > > > > Hannes - | > > > > > | > > > > >> -----Original Message----- | > > > > >> From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of | > > > > >> Hannes Gredler | > > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:02 AM | > > > > >> To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) | > > > > >> Cc: isis-wg@ietf.org list | > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] New Version Notification for | > > > > >> draft-ginsberg-isis- | > > > > sbfd- | > > > > >> discriminator-00.txt | > > > > >> | > > > > >> hi les, | > > > > >> | > > > > >> subTLV 19 clashes with Segment Routing Algorithm - suggest that | > > > > >> you use code point #20 instead. | > > > > > | > > > > > I am happy to avoid conflicts - but the latest IS-IS SR draft | > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-previdi-isis-segment-routing-exte | > > > > nsio | > > > > ns-05 | > > > > > specifies sub-TLV 2 (SR Capabilities) and sub-TLV 15 (SR algorithm). | > > > > > See | > > > > Section 3. | > > > > > | > > > > > Now "15" has already been assigned by RFC 7176 (AKA RFC | > > > > > 6362bis) - so | > > > > clearly this has to change. | > > > > > | > > > > > If you want "19" to get used for SR that's fine with me - but | > > > > > guess this | > > > > illustrates the value of early allocation. :-) | > > > > > | > > > > > Les | > > > > > | > > > > > | > > > > >> | > > > > >> tx, | > > > > >> | > > > > >> /hannes | > > > > >> | > > > > >> On May 8, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: | > > > > >> | > > > > >>> FYI - this new draft describes how to advertise S-BFD | > > > > >>> Discriminators | > > > > using | > > > > >> IS-IS. | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> Comments are welcomed. | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> Les | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- | > > > > >>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org | > > > > >>> [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] | > > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:46 AM | > > > > >>> To: Mach Chen; Nobo Akiya (nobo); Mach Chen; Les Ginsberg | > > > > >>> (ginsberg); | > > > > >> Nobo Akiya (nobo); Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) | > > > > >>> Subject: New Version Notification for | > > > > >>> draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd- | > > > > >> discriminator-00.txt | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> A new version of I-D, | > > > > >>> draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd-discriminator-00.txt | > > > > >>> has been successfully submitted by Les Ginsberg and posted to | > > > > >>> the IETF repository. | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> Name: draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd-discriminator | > > > > >>> Revision: 00 | > > > > >>> Title: Advertising S-BFD Discriminators in IS-IS | > > > > >>> Document date: 2014-05-08 | > > > > >>> Group: Individual Submission | > > > > >>> Pages: 5 | > > > > >>> URL: | > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd- | > > > > >> discriminator-00.txt | > > > > >>> Status: | > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd- | > > > > >> discriminator/ | > > > > >>> Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ginsberg-isis-sbfd- | > > > > >> discriminator-00 | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> Abstract: | > > > > >>> This document defines a means of advertising one or more | > > > > >>> S-BFD Discriminators using the IS-IS Router Capability TLV. | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time | > > > > >>> of | > > > > >> submission | > > > > >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> The IETF Secretariat | > > > > >>> | > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ | > > > > >>> Isis-wg mailing list | > > > > >>> Isis-wg@ietf.org | > > > > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg | > > > > >> | > > > > >> _______________________________________________ | > > > > >> Isis-wg mailing list | > > > > >> Isis-wg@ietf.org | > > > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg | > > > | > > > _______________________________________________ | > > > Isis-wg mailing list | > > > Isis-wg@ietf.org | > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg | | _______________________________________________ | Isis-wg mailing list | Isis-wg@ietf.org | https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg
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