Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt

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Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt
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Dear Fred, Paul, Russ and all,
From my point of view - only loosely following this discussion - I do agree that Paul has achieved a good balance between different protocols included/mentioned. Thanks for that!

Just a small typo: on page 3 it should also read
‘Automatic Extended Route Optimization (AERO)’ instead of ‘Asymmetric Extended Route Optimization (AERO)’
And maybe one could add on p. 14 the sentence
‘Refer to Appendix A for the description how OMNI can support use of multiple radio technologies in V2X’.

Would that help? What do you think?
Thanks
Best regards
Dirk

Von: its <its-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Templin (US), Fred L
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Februar 2022 15:35
An: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>; Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
Cc: its@ietf.org
Betreff: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt

The way the document is now, it reads as an endorsement for a particular approach.
The document was good last time I read it (which is a while ago) but I guess someone
got you to make drastic changes without my knowing about it. The document cannot
go forward in its current form.

Fred

From: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com]
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To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com<mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>>; Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>>
Cc: its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com<mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt

EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments.


Hi Russ,
I have replied to Fred's email just before.
As the editor, I tried to balance the two approaches even though the text of AERO/OMNI is reduced.

Fred,
I hope you can understand my position as the editor.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 5:26 AM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com<mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote:
Paul and Fred:

I think the update is more aligned with the documents that are advancing one the IETF stream.  That said, I would not be apposed to the inclusion of the 6M's, but not in a way that claims that there is only one approach way to address these things.  What do you think about that was a way forward?

Russ


> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:56 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi, I started reviewing this and found that it has been completely overhauled since I put my
> comments in many months ago. It has in fact been completely rewritten to favor the shared
> IPv6 multilink subnet model over multihop networks, to favor RPL/6LowPan over standard
> MANET routing protocols, to favor IPv6 ND changes over standard IPv6 ND, and to favor
> multilink DAD. None of that is necessary with AERO/OMNI and the NBMA-based virtual link
> created by the OMNI Adaptation. So, I stopped midway through marking up the document
> with my comments because it has taken a complete left turn and started down a wrong path.
>
> What is mainly at the heart of the divergence is that the document now embraces the
> multilink IPv6 subnet model vs the AERO/OMNI NBMA link model that was there the last
> time I looked. But, there is no need for such complication when there is a much simpler
> alternative at hand. I notice also that in the appendices the AERO/OMNI "6M's of Mobile
> Internetworking" was removed - at the very least that needs to be restored.
>
> In its current form, this document has been diverted to go down the wrong path. It
> needs to be either re-balanced or re-written.
>
> Thanks - Fred
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Templin (US), Fred L
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 7:28 AM
>> To: its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org>; i-d-announce@ietf.org<mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt
>>
>> Hi, it looks like a lot of what was in the draft regarding AERO/OMNI has been cut out
>> so that means I am going to have to re-review it. I will get to this a soon as possible;
>> hopefully in the next couple of days.
>>
>> Fred
>>
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>>>
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>>> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG of the IETF.
>>>
>>>        Title           : IPv6 Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases
>>>        Author          : Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong
>>>     Filename        : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt
>>>     Pages           : 49
>>>     Date            : 2022-02-20
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>   This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of
>>>   IPv6-based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation
>>>   Systems (ITS).  The main scenarios of vehicular communications are
>>>   vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and
>>>   vehicle-to-everything (V2X) communications.  First, this document
>>>   explains use cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking.  Next, for
>>>   IPv6-based vehicular networks, it makes a gap analysis of current
>>>   IPv6 protocols (e.g., IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management,
>>>   and Security & Privacy), and then enumerates requirements for the
>>>   extensions of those IPv6 protocols for IPv6-based vehicular
>>>   networking.
>>>
>>>
>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/
>>>
>>> There is also an htmlized version available at:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26
>>>
>>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26
>>>
>>>
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