Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt
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Dear Fred, Paul, Russ and all, From my point of view - only loosely following this discussion - I do agree that Paul has achieved a good balance between different protocols included/mentioned. Thanks for that! Just a small typo: on page 3 it should also read ‘Automatic Extended Route Optimization (AERO)’ instead of ‘Asymmetric Extended Route Optimization (AERO)’ And maybe one could add on p. 14 the sentence ‘Refer to Appendix A for the description how OMNI can support use of multiple radio technologies in V2X’. Would that help? What do you think? Thanks Best regards Dirk Von: its <its-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Templin (US), Fred L Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Februar 2022 15:35 An: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>; Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Cc: its@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt The way the document is now, it reads as an endorsement for a particular approach. The document was good last time I read it (which is a while ago) but I guess someone got you to make drastic changes without my knowing about it. The document cannot go forward in its current form. Fred From: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong [mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 7:50 PM To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com<mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>>; Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> Cc: its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com<mailto:jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments. Hi Russ, I have replied to Fred's email just before. As the editor, I tried to balance the two approaches even though the text of AERO/OMNI is reduced. Fred, I hope you can understand my position as the editor. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 5:26 AM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com<mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote: Paul and Fred: I think the update is more aligned with the documents that are advancing one the IETF stream. That said, I would not be apposed to the inclusion of the 6M's, but not in a way that claims that there is only one approach way to address these things. What do you think about that was a way forward? Russ > On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:56 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com<mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> wrote: > > Hi, I started reviewing this and found that it has been completely overhauled since I put my > comments in many months ago. It has in fact been completely rewritten to favor the shared > IPv6 multilink subnet model over multihop networks, to favor RPL/6LowPan over standard > MANET routing protocols, to favor IPv6 ND changes over standard IPv6 ND, and to favor > multilink DAD. None of that is necessary with AERO/OMNI and the NBMA-based virtual link > created by the OMNI Adaptation. So, I stopped midway through marking up the document > with my comments because it has taken a complete left turn and started down a wrong path. > > What is mainly at the heart of the divergence is that the document now embraces the > multilink IPv6 subnet model vs the AERO/OMNI NBMA link model that was there the last > time I looked. But, there is no need for such complication when there is a much simpler > alternative at hand. I notice also that in the appendices the AERO/OMNI "6M's of Mobile > Internetworking" was removed - at the very least that needs to be restored. > > In its current form, this document has been diverted to go down the wrong path. It > needs to be either re-balanced or re-written. > > Thanks - Fred > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Templin (US), Fred L >> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 7:28 AM >> To: its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org>; i-d-announce@ietf.org<mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt >> >> Hi, it looks like a lot of what was in the draft regarding AERO/OMNI has been cut out >> so that means I am going to have to re-review it. I will get to this a soon as possible; >> hopefully in the next couple of days. >> >> Fred >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 9:00 PM >>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org<mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org> >>> Cc: its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org> >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt >>> >>> EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG of the IETF. >>> >>> Title : IPv6 Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases >>> Author : Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong >>> Filename : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt >>> Pages : 49 >>> Date : 2022-02-20 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of >>> IPv6-based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation >>> Systems (ITS). The main scenarios of vehicular communications are >>> vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and >>> vehicle-to-everything (V2X) communications. First, this document >>> explains use cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking. Next, for >>> IPv6-based vehicular networks, it makes a gap analysis of current >>> IPv6 protocols (e.g., IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, >>> and Security & Privacy), and then enumerates requirements for the >>> extensions of those IPv6 protocols for IPv6-based vehicular >>> networking. >>> >>> >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/ >>> >>> There is also an htmlized version available at: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26 >>> >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26 >>> >>> >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> its mailing list >>> its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >> >> _______________________________________________ >> its mailing list >> its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org<mailto:its@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its
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- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Russ Housley
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Dirk.von-Hugo
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Erik Kline
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Erik Kline
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Dirk.von-Hugo
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Erik Kline
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Rex Buddenberg
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-iet… Templin (US), Fred L