Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt

["Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Charlie,
Here is the vision -11, reflecting all of your editorial comments and
questions along with
the revision letter.
The attached draft pdf is unofficial one generated from the xml file of
version -11,
which will be submitted on July 21, 2019.

If you have further questions and comments, please let me know.

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul


On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:12 AM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
> Here is the revision based on your major comments:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-10
>
> I attach the revision letter explaining how I answered your comments.
> If you have comments and questions on the revision, please let me know.
>
> Due to the time limitation, I could not address your editorial comments on
> -10 version.
> For your editorial comments, I will address them and submit -11 version
> before the IETF-105 IPWAVE session.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Paul
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:01 AM Charlie Perkins <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> I have reviewed the document.  I think it still needs some improvements
>> as described below.
>>
>> - It is not at all clear to me why a multi-link subnet model is better
>> than simply a routing protocol between moving networks.
>>
>> - The discussions about DNS need better motivation.
>>
>> - I had asked for a more detailed analysis about the timing requirements
>> and latency bounds.  The inclusion of numbers like 1 second, .5 second, and
>> 500ms is not at all convincing, especially without citations.  Given some
>> knowledge of DSRC range and typical speeds for motor vehicles, you should
>> be able to get better numbers by some basic arithmetic.
>>
>> - The Security Considerations needs to be significantly expanded, with
>> cross references to other parts of the document.
>>
>> - The "Changes" section should have detailed what was changed, instead of
>> just saying that resolutions were included for our comments.
>>
>> - I am not sure whether or not you intended to have a specific global
>> prefix range (e.g., 2001:DB8:) set aside for VANETs.  I think this would be
>> a bad idea.  Any routable IPv6 address ought to be routable in a VANET.
>>
>> - In section 5.1, you might cite
>> draft-ietf-mboned-ieee802-mcast-problems, our draft that discusses various
>> kinds of problems faced by multicast-based protocols over wireless media.
>>
>> - In section 5.1.1, it is suggested that two separate VANETs can merge
>> into one network.  An example is needed for this.
>>
>> - In section 5.3, the discussion indicates that malicious actions should
>> be prevented by cooperation between good nodes.  But no suggestion is made
>> about how to distinguish good nodes from bad nodes, or how to reduce the
>> likelihood that a good node might be misused by a malicious operator, or be
>> compromised.  Similarly, it is not suggested how to identify authorized
>> vehicles.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Charlie P.
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/2019 9:32 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
>>
>> Charlie,
>> Thanks for your time.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Paul
>>
>> 2019년 7월 5일 (금) 오후 12:10, Charlie Perkins <[e-mail]>님이
>> 작성:
>>
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>>
>>> It's on my list to read tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Charlie P.
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2019 4:36:26 AM
>>> *To:* Charlie Perkins
>>> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO; Russ Housley;
>>> Sri Gundavelli
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>> Did you have a chance to review our IPWAVE PS draft?
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247361380&sdata=ZiUV934DN3GZyKITtLNmcytBaAvC3Hl4rkoB679FT9k%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please let me know whether you are satisfied with the current version or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> I believe that I addresses all your previous comments
>>> even though the current version is a compact one focusing on the
>>> problems for IPWAVE.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 7:07 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
>>> [e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ll wait until Charlie reviews it to do my review.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 04:14, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
>>> [e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Charlie,
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> 2019년 6월 25일 (화) 오전 10:57, Charlie Perkins <
>>> [e-mail]>님이 작성:
>>>
>>> Hello Paul and all,
>>>
>>>
>>> I will attempt to review the draft later this week.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Charlie P.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 6:55:25 PM
>>> *To:* CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO
>>> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; Russ Housley; [e-mail]; Sri
>>> Gundavelli; Jaehoon Paul Jeong
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>
>>> Hi Carlos,
>>> It seems Charlie is busy.
>>> I believe I addressed Charlie's previous comments on the draft.
>>>
>>> Could you review and give me yours comments for WGLC before the IETF-105
>>> meeting?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:49, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
>>> [e-mail]>님이 작성:
>>>
>>> Sri,
>>> Okay.
>>> I will not change the text about ND.
>>>
>>> Let's wait for Charlie's response.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:44, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <[e-mail]>님이
>>> 작성:
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> Ok! Any new text needs to go through the WG review process. If you can
>>> revert ND related multi-hop text and references that will be good.
>>> Unfortunately, that’s the most controversial topic and we don’t need to
>>> muddle the waters bringing that discussion into this. We need to optimize
>>> ND and lets leave it at that level.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <[e-mail]>
>>> Date: Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 8:40 PM
>>> To: Sri Gundavelli <[e-mail]>, "[e-mail]"
>>> <[e-mail]>
>>> Cc: Russ Housley <[e-mail]>, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
>>> [e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <
>>> [e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <
>>> [e-mail]>
>>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>
>>> Hi Sri,
>>> I will remove the solution text and RFC 8505 reference for ND in the
>>> revision by focusing on the problem in Section 5.1 and 5.1.1.
>>>
>>> Charlie,
>>> Do you have any comments on the current version?
>>>
>>> To make this draft go forward, we need your review and comments.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:09, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <[e-mail]>님이
>>> 작성:
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I have reviewed the –09 version and the delta from –08.
>>>
>>> The spec has surely improved and you have now eliminated bunch of
>>> unnecessary text. This is good and thanks for those improvements. However,
>>> in ND section, I see lot of new text and RFC 8505 references. I thought the
>>> goal here was to address the comments. Why would we add next text,
>>> scenarios and spec references at this stage? Specifically, 5.1,  5.1.1.1?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: its <[e-mail]> on behalf of "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <
>>> [e-mail]>
>>> Date: Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 5:50 PM
>>> To: Charlie Perkins <[e-mail]>, Sri Gundavelli <
>>> [e-mail]>
>>> Cc: "[e-mail]" <
>>> [e-mail]>, "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <
>>> [e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, Russ Housley <
>>> [e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, CARLOS JESUS
>>> BERNARDOS CANO <[e-mail]>, "[e-mail]" <
>>> [e-mail]>
>>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>
>>> Hi Charlie and Sri,
>>> Could you review the revised draft for IPWAVE PS and confirm that you
>>> are happy with the revision?
>>>
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247371372&sdata=t2Qt6nCDrxYPfJ6X%2FJ6B%2F5bgTWSTFtwlw7oWeWxgdn8%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>> Your confirmation can allow for the next step of our PS draft.
>>>
>>> If you have some places to improve, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> 2019년 5월 25일 (토) 오후 1:29, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <[e-mail]>님이
>>> 작성:
>>>
>>> Hi IPWAVE WG,
>>> I have submitted the revision of our IPWAVE PS draft:
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=feYwe8zeWdkkDxy03YW9rXvOH78%2BJdg35e9m0g8SENA%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to the request of Sri and Russ, this version is focused on
>>> the problem statement about three key aspects of IP-based vehicular
>>> networking,
>>> such as Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy.
>>>
>>> For the Neighbor Discovery, I used Pascal's text about the problem
>>> statement about
>>> the ND at 802.11-OCB.
>>> Thanks for Pascal's contribution, and I acknowledged his contribution in
>>> the draft.
>>>
>>> Carlos,
>>> Could you review this version and give me your comments to move forward
>>> toward WGLC?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>> directories.
>>> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular
>>> Environments WG of the IETF.
>>>
>>>         Title           : IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments
>>> (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases
>>>         Author          : Jaehoon Paul Jeong (editor)
>>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>         Pages           : 28
>>>         Date            : 2019-05-24
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>    This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of IP-
>>>    based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation Systems
>>>    (ITS).  The main scenarios of vehicular communications are vehicle-
>>>    to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to-
>>>    everything (V2X) communications.  First, this document explains use
>>>    cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking.  Next, it makes a problem
>>>    statement about key aspects in IP-based vehicular networking, such as
>>>    IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy.
>>>    For each key aspect, this document specifies requirements in IP-based
>>>    vehicular networking, and suggests the direction of solutions
>>>    satisfying those requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/
>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=iGqhfG8zmLA%2FxYqa0mKXmoUpKuCU8Fd%2Bh3ik4rnRpeQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
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>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
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>>>
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>>>
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> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
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Associate Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
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Email: [e-mail], [e-mail]
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