Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
"Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> Sun, 21 July 2019 05:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
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Hi Charlie, I have submitted the version -11 of the IPWAVE PS document, addressing all your comments and questions: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-11 Could you doublecheck whether my answers satisfy you or not to let our IPWAVE PS document move forward? Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:03 AM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Charlie, > Here is the vision -11, reflecting all of your editorial comments and > questions along with > the revision letter. > The attached draft pdf is unofficial one generated from the xml file of > version -11, > which will be submitted on July 21, 2019. > > If you have further questions and comments, please let me know. > > Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Paul > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:12 AM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < > jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Charlie, >> Here is the revision based on your major comments: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-10 >> >> I attach the revision letter explaining how I answered your comments. >> If you have comments and questions on the revision, please let me know. >> >> Due to the time limitation, I could not address your editorial comments >> on -10 version. >> For your editorial comments, I will address them and submit -11 version >> before the IETF-105 IPWAVE session. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Paul >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:01 AM Charlie Perkins < >> charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> Hello Paul, >>> >>> I have reviewed the document. I think it still needs some improvements >>> as described below. >>> >>> - It is not at all clear to me why a multi-link subnet model is better >>> than simply a routing protocol between moving networks. >>> >>> - The discussions about DNS need better motivation. >>> >>> - I had asked for a more detailed analysis about the timing requirements >>> and latency bounds. The inclusion of numbers like 1 second, .5 second, and >>> 500ms is not at all convincing, especially without citations. Given some >>> knowledge of DSRC range and typical speeds for motor vehicles, you should >>> be able to get better numbers by some basic arithmetic. >>> >>> - The Security Considerations needs to be significantly expanded, with >>> cross references to other parts of the document. >>> >>> - The "Changes" section should have detailed what was changed, instead >>> of just saying that resolutions were included for our comments. >>> >>> - I am not sure whether or not you intended to have a specific global >>> prefix range (e.g., 2001:DB8:) set aside for VANETs. I think this would be >>> a bad idea. Any routable IPv6 address ought to be routable in a VANET. >>> >>> - In section 5.1, you might cite >>> draft-ietf-mboned-ieee802-mcast-problems, our draft that discusses various >>> kinds of problems faced by multicast-based protocols over wireless media. >>> >>> - In section 5.1.1, it is suggested that two separate VANETs can merge >>> into one network. An example is needed for this. >>> >>> - In section 5.3, the discussion indicates that malicious actions should >>> be prevented by cooperation between good nodes. But no suggestion is made >>> about how to distinguish good nodes from bad nodes, or how to reduce the >>> likelihood that a good node might be misused by a malicious operator, or be >>> compromised. Similarly, it is not suggested how to identify authorized >>> vehicles. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Charlie P. >>> >>> >>> On 7/4/2019 9:32 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote: >>> >>> Charlie, >>> Thanks for your time. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Paul >>> >>> 2019년 7월 5일 (금) 오후 12:10, Charlie Perkins <charlie.perkins@futurewei.com>님이 >>> 작성: >>> >>>> Hello Paul, >>>> >>>> >>>> It's on my list to read tomorrow. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Charlie P. >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2019 4:36:26 AM >>>> *To:* Charlie Perkins >>>> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO; Russ Housley; >>>> Sri Gundavelli >>>> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >>>> >>>> Hi Charlie, >>>> Did you have a chance to review our IPWAVE PS draft? >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247361380&sdata=ZiUV934DN3GZyKITtLNmcytBaAvC3Hl4rkoB679FT9k%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please let me know whether you are satisfied with the current version >>>> or not. >>>> >>>> I believe that I addresses all your previous comments >>>> even though the current version is a compact one focusing on the >>>> problems for IPWAVE. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 7:07 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO < >>>> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote: >>>> >>>> I’ll wait until Charlie reviews it to do my review. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Carlos >>>> >>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 04:14, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < >>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Charlie, >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> 2019년 6월 25일 (화) 오전 10:57, Charlie Perkins < >>>> charlie.perkins@futurewei.com>님이 작성: >>>> >>>> Hello Paul and all, >>>> >>>> >>>> I will attempt to review the draft later this week. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Charlie P. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 6:55:25 PM >>>> *To:* CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO >>>> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; Russ Housley; Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com; >>>> Sri Gundavelli; Jaehoon Paul Jeong >>>> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >>>> >>>> Hi Carlos, >>>> It seems Charlie is busy. >>>> I believe I addressed Charlie's previous comments on the draft. >>>> >>>> Could you review and give me yours comments for WGLC before the >>>> IETF-105 meeting? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:49, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < >>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>님이 작성: >>>> >>>> Sri, >>>> Okay. >>>> I will not change the text about ND. >>>> >>>> Let's wait for Charlie's response. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:44, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) < >>>> sgundave@cisco.com>님이 작성: >>>> >>>> Hi Paul, >>>> >>>> Ok! Any new text needs to go through the WG review process. If you can >>>> revert ND related multi-hop text and references that will be good. >>>> Unfortunately, that’s the most controversial topic and we don’t need to >>>> muddle the waters bringing that discussion into this. We need to optimize >>>> ND and lets leave it at that level. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Sri >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 8:40 PM >>>> To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com>, "charles.perkins@earthlink.net" >>>> <charles.perkins@earthlink.net> >>>> Cc: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO < >>>> cjbc@it.uc3m.es>, "Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com" < >>>> Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>, "jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" < >>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >>>> >>>> Hi Sri, >>>> I will remove the solution text and RFC 8505 reference for ND in the >>>> revision by focusing on the problem in Section 5.1 and 5.1.1. >>>> >>>> Charlie, >>>> Do you have any comments on the current version? >>>> >>>> To make this draft go forward, we need your review and comments. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:09, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) < >>>> sgundave@cisco.com>님이 작성: >>>> >>>> Hi Paul, >>>> >>>> I have reviewed the –09 version and the delta from –08. >>>> >>>> The spec has surely improved and you have now eliminated bunch of >>>> unnecessary text. This is good and thanks for those improvements. However, >>>> in ND section, I see lot of new text and RFC 8505 references. I thought the >>>> goal here was to address the comments. Why would we add next text, >>>> scenarios and spec references at this stage? Specifically, 5.1, 5.1.1.1? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sri >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: its <its-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" >>>> <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 5:50 PM >>>> To: Charlie Perkins <Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>, Sri Gundavelli < >>>> sgundave@cisco.com> >>>> Cc: "skku_iotlab_seminar@googlegroups.com" < >>>> skku_iotlab_seminar@googlegroups.com>, "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" < >>>> pthubert@cisco.com>, "its@ietf.org" <its@ietf.org>, Russ Housley < >>>> housley@vigilsec.com>, "Tom.Oh@rit.edu" <Tom.Oh@rit.edu>, CARLOS JESUS >>>> BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>, "jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" < >>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: >>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >>>> >>>> Hi Charlie and Sri, >>>> Could you review the revised draft for IPWAVE PS and confirm that you >>>> are happy with the revision? >>>> >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247371372&sdata=t2Qt6nCDrxYPfJ6X%2FJ6B%2F5bgTWSTFtwlw7oWeWxgdn8%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> Your confirmation can allow for the next step of our PS draft. >>>> >>>> If you have some places to improve, please let me know. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> 2019년 5월 25일 (토) 오후 1:29, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong < >>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>님이 작성: >>>> >>>> Hi IPWAVE WG, >>>> I have submitted the revision of our IPWAVE PS draft: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=feYwe8zeWdkkDxy03YW9rXvOH78%2BJdg35e9m0g8SENA%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> >>>> According to the request of Sri and Russ, this version is focused on >>>> the problem statement about three key aspects of IP-based vehicular >>>> networking, >>>> such as Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy. >>>> >>>> For the Neighbor Discovery, I used Pascal's text about the problem >>>> statement about >>>> the ND at 802.11-OCB. >>>> Thanks for Pascal's contribution, and I acknowledged his contribution >>>> in the draft. >>>> >>>> Carlos, >>>> Could you review this version and give me your comments to move forward >>>> toward WGLC? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>> directories. >>>> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular >>>> Environments WG of the IETF. >>>> >>>> Title : IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments >>>> (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases >>>> Author : Jaehoon Paul Jeong (editor) >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt >>>> Pages : 28 >>>> Date : 2019-05-24 >>>> >>>> Abstract: >>>> This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of IP- >>>> based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation Systems >>>> (ITS). The main scenarios of vehicular communications are vehicle- >>>> to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to- >>>> everything (V2X) communications. First, this document explains use >>>> cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking. Next, it makes a problem >>>> statement about key aspects in IP-based vehicular networking, such as >>>> IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy. >>>> For each key aspect, this document specifies requirements in IP-based >>>> vehicular networking, and suggests the direction of solutions >>>> satisfying those requirements. >>>> >>>> >>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/ >>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=iGqhfG8zmLA%2FxYqa0mKXmoUpKuCU8Fd%2Bh3ik4rnRpeQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247391355&sdata=E3eK7Ih%2BldyrQ6CAwDnEcDAJLArqtH8CHS0Y2TXCUro%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247391355&sdata=JX8ZTQi8JIKGTyTCamtDFb3DmCQ1N2kQMy4uwmLvqz8%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09 >>>> 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- [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-… internet-drafts
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Charlie Perkins
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong