Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt

"Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> Sun, 21 July 2019 05:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
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Hi Charlie,
I have submitted the version -11 of the IPWAVE PS document, addressing all
your comments and questions:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-11

Could you doublecheck whether my answers satisfy you or not to let our
IPWAVE PS document move forward?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 8:03 AM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Charlie,
> Here is the vision -11, reflecting all of your editorial comments and
> questions along with
> the revision letter.
> The attached draft pdf is unofficial one generated from the xml file of
> version -11,
> which will be submitted on July 21, 2019.
>
> If you have further questions and comments, please let me know.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Paul
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:12 AM Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Charlie,
>> Here is the revision based on your major comments:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-10
>>
>> I attach the revision letter explaining how I answered your comments.
>> If you have comments and questions on the revision, please let me know.
>>
>> Due to the time limitation, I could not address your editorial comments
>> on -10 version.
>> For your editorial comments, I will address them and submit -11 version
>> before the IETF-105 IPWAVE session.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:01 AM Charlie Perkins <
>> charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> I have reviewed the document.  I think it still needs some improvements
>>> as described below.
>>>
>>> - It is not at all clear to me why a multi-link subnet model is better
>>> than simply a routing protocol between moving networks.
>>>
>>> - The discussions about DNS need better motivation.
>>>
>>> - I had asked for a more detailed analysis about the timing requirements
>>> and latency bounds.  The inclusion of numbers like 1 second, .5 second, and
>>> 500ms is not at all convincing, especially without citations.  Given some
>>> knowledge of DSRC range and typical speeds for motor vehicles, you should
>>> be able to get better numbers by some basic arithmetic.
>>>
>>> - The Security Considerations needs to be significantly expanded, with
>>> cross references to other parts of the document.
>>>
>>> - The "Changes" section should have detailed what was changed, instead
>>> of just saying that resolutions were included for our comments.
>>>
>>> - I am not sure whether or not you intended to have a specific global
>>> prefix range (e.g., 2001:DB8:) set aside for VANETs.  I think this would be
>>> a bad idea.  Any routable IPv6 address ought to be routable in a VANET.
>>>
>>> - In section 5.1, you might cite
>>> draft-ietf-mboned-ieee802-mcast-problems, our draft that discusses various
>>> kinds of problems faced by multicast-based protocols over wireless media.
>>>
>>> - In section 5.1.1, it is suggested that two separate VANETs can merge
>>> into one network.  An example is needed for this.
>>>
>>> - In section 5.3, the discussion indicates that malicious actions should
>>> be prevented by cooperation between good nodes.  But no suggestion is made
>>> about how to distinguish good nodes from bad nodes, or how to reduce the
>>> likelihood that a good node might be misused by a malicious operator, or be
>>> compromised.  Similarly, it is not suggested how to identify authorized
>>> vehicles.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Charlie P.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/4/2019 9:32 PM, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
>>>
>>> Charlie,
>>> Thanks for your time.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> 2019년 7월 5일 (금) 오후 12:10, Charlie Perkins <charlie.perkins@futurewei.com>님이
>>> 작성:
>>>
>>>> Hello Paul,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's on my list to read tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Charlie P.
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2019 4:36:26 AM
>>>> *To:* Charlie Perkins
>>>> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO; Russ Housley;
>>>> Sri Gundavelli
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>>
>>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>> Did you have a chance to review our IPWAVE PS draft?
>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
>>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247361380&sdata=ZiUV934DN3GZyKITtLNmcytBaAvC3Hl4rkoB679FT9k%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know whether you are satisfied with the current version
>>>> or not.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that I addresses all your previous comments
>>>> even though the current version is a compact one focusing on the
>>>> problems for IPWAVE.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 7:07 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
>>>> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’ll wait until Charlie reviews it to do my review.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Carlos
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 04:14, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
>>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Charlie,
>>>> Thanks a lot.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> 2019년 6월 25일 (화) 오전 10:57, Charlie Perkins <
>>>> charlie.perkins@futurewei.com>님이 작성:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Paul and all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will attempt to review the draft later this week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Charlie P.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 6:55:25 PM
>>>> *To:* CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO
>>>> *Cc:* Charles E. Perkins; Russ Housley; Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com;
>>>> Sri Gundavelli; Jaehoon Paul Jeong
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>>
>>>> Hi Carlos,
>>>> It seems Charlie is busy.
>>>> I believe I addressed Charlie's previous comments on the draft.
>>>>
>>>> Could you review and give me yours comments for WGLC before the
>>>> IETF-105 meeting?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:49, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
>>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>님이 작성:
>>>>
>>>> Sri,
>>>> Okay.
>>>> I will not change the text about ND.
>>>>
>>>> Let's wait for Charlie's response.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:44, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <
>>>> sgundave@cisco.com>님이 작성:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Ok! Any new text needs to go through the WG review process. If you can
>>>> revert ND related multi-hop text and references that will be good.
>>>> Unfortunately, that’s the most controversial topic and we don’t need to
>>>> muddle the waters bringing that discussion into this. We need to optimize
>>>> ND and lets leave it at that level.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 8:40 PM
>>>> To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com>, "charles.perkins@earthlink.net"
>>>> <charles.perkins@earthlink.net>
>>>> Cc: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
>>>> cjbc@it.uc3m.es>, "Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com" <
>>>> Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>, "jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" <
>>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sri,
>>>> I will remove the solution text and RFC 8505 reference for ND in the
>>>> revision by focusing on the problem in Section 5.1 and 5.1.1.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie,
>>>> Do you have any comments on the current version?
>>>>
>>>> To make this draft go forward, we need your review and comments.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> 2019년 6월 24일 (월) 오후 12:09, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <
>>>> sgundave@cisco.com>님이 작성:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> I have reviewed the –09 version and the delta from –08.
>>>>
>>>> The spec has surely improved and you have now eliminated bunch of
>>>> unnecessary text. This is good and thanks for those improvements. However,
>>>> in ND section, I see lot of new text and RFC 8505 references. I thought the
>>>> goal here was to address the comments. Why would we add next text,
>>>> scenarios and spec references at this stage? Specifically, 5.1,  5.1.1.1?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: its <its-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong"
>>>> <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 5:50 PM
>>>> To: Charlie Perkins <Charlie.Perkins@huawei.com>, Sri Gundavelli <
>>>> sgundave@cisco.com>
>>>> Cc: "skku_iotlab_seminar@googlegroups.com" <
>>>> skku_iotlab_seminar@googlegroups.com>, "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <
>>>> pthubert@cisco.com>, "its@ietf.org" <its@ietf.org>, Russ Housley <
>>>> housley@vigilsec.com>, "Tom.Oh@rit.edu" <Tom.Oh@rit.edu>, CARLOS JESUS
>>>> BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>, "jaehoon.paul@gmail.com" <
>>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action:
>>>> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>>
>>>> Hi Charlie and Sri,
>>>> Could you review the revised draft for IPWAVE PS and confirm that you
>>>> are happy with the revision?
>>>>
>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
>>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247371372&sdata=t2Qt6nCDrxYPfJ6X%2FJ6B%2F5bgTWSTFtwlw7oWeWxgdn8%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>> Your confirmation can allow for the next step of our PS draft.
>>>>
>>>> If you have some places to improve, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> 2019년 5월 25일 (토) 오후 1:29, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <
>>>> jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>님이 작성:
>>>>
>>>> Hi IPWAVE WG,
>>>> I have submitted the revision of our IPWAVE PS draft:
>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
>>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=feYwe8zeWdkkDxy03YW9rXvOH78%2BJdg35e9m0g8SENA%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to the request of Sri and Russ, this version is focused on
>>>> the problem statement about three key aspects of IP-based vehicular
>>>> networking,
>>>> such as Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy.
>>>>
>>>> For the Neighbor Discovery, I used Pascal's text about the problem
>>>> statement about
>>>> the ND at 802.11-OCB.
>>>> Thanks for Pascal's contribution, and I acknowledged his contribution
>>>> in the draft.
>>>>
>>>> Carlos,
>>>> Could you review this version and give me your comments to move forward
>>>> toward WGLC?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 1:22 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>>> directories.
>>>> This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular
>>>> Environments WG of the IETF.
>>>>
>>>>         Title           : IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments
>>>> (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases
>>>>         Author          : Jaehoon Paul Jeong (editor)
>>>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09.txt
>>>>         Pages           : 28
>>>>         Date            : 2019-05-24
>>>>
>>>> Abstract:
>>>>    This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of IP-
>>>>    based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation Systems
>>>>    (ITS).  The main scenarios of vehicular communications are vehicle-
>>>>    to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to-
>>>>    everything (V2X) communications.  First, this document explains use
>>>>    cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking.  Next, it makes a problem
>>>>    statement about key aspects in IP-based vehicular networking, such as
>>>>    IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, and Security & Privacy.
>>>>    For each key aspect, this document specifies requirements in IP-based
>>>>    vehicular networking, and suggests the direction of solutions
>>>>    satisfying those requirements.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/
>>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247381365&sdata=iGqhfG8zmLA%2FxYqa0mKXmoUpKuCU8Fd%2Bh3ik4rnRpeQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
>>>> <https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09&data=02%7C01%7Ccharlie.perkins%40futurewei.com%7Cb4309165c9244f0980d908d70073eee2%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636978370247391355&sdata=E3eK7Ih%2BldyrQ6CAwDnEcDAJLArqtH8CHS0Y2TXCUro%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-09
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>>>> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
>>>> Associate Professor
>>>> Department of Software
>>>> Sungkyunkwan University
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>>>> --
>>>> ===========================
>>>> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
>>>> Associate Professor
>>>> Department of Software
>>>> Sungkyunkwan University
>>>> Office: +82-31-299-4957
>>>> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
>>>> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
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>>
>> --
>> ===========================
>> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor
>> Department of Software
>> Sungkyunkwan University
>> Office: +82-31-299-4957
>> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
>> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
>> <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>
>>
>
>
> --
> ===========================
> Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Department of Software
> Sungkyunkwan University
> Office: +82-31-299-4957
> Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
> Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
> <http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>
>


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Mr. Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Software
Sungkyunkwan University
Office: +82-31-299-4957
Email: jaehoon.paul@gmail.com, pauljeong@skku.edu
Personal Homepage: http://iotlab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php
<http://cpslab.skku.edu/people-jaehoon-jeong.php>