Re: [ipwave] Comments for draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-14.txt

["Templin (US), Fred L" <[e-mail]>]

Time varying prefixes with short leases can be managed with DHCPv6-PD, so there
is no need for the mobile to carry around lots of statically allocated prefixes. The
mobile may  need to renumber its internal networks frequently, but that’s OK.

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Subject: RE: [ipwave] Comments for draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-14.txt

For the addresses to be unique, each unit (vehicle, smart phone, etc.) would have to be issued a set of unique addresses, which begs the question what’s the cardinality of that set, and how much privacy/anonymity will that provide. In a 64-bit space, there would be plenty of addresses; however address management could be an issue.  Another option is of course random address selection; if the RNGs were good enough, it should work w.p.near1.

RR

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Subject: Re: [ipwave] Comments for draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-14.txt

Hi William,

You indicated a timescale of minutes (not secs or msecs) and I think that might
be feasible yes. But, it does require more thought.

Fred


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Subject: RE: [ipwave] Comments for draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-14.txt

Hi Fred – would it be possible for this unique prefix to be re-selected from time to time?

William

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Subject: [EXT] Re: [ipwave] Comments for draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-14.txt

Hi Kim, the expectation is that the vehicle would be assigned a unique IPv6 prefix
called the Mobile Network Prefix (MNP) for its own exclusive use, e.g. a /64 or
some other prefix length. That gives the vehicle lots of available addresses which
would not need to undergo DAD.

Thanks - Fred

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Subject: Re: [ipwave] Comments for draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-14.txt


Hello, Fred



I think you pointed out the good way to ensure uniqueness of link-local address for vehicle.

Using the VIN to create link-local address sounds good and we can get fast connection by skipping DAD process.



I wonder if it's okay when a vehicle need to have multiple addresses for different services.

Isn't it safe to check DAD for double check?



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제목: [ipwave] Comments for draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-14.txt

Hi, I read this draft and have some comments. In the aviation domain, we are designing
an Aeronautical Telecommunications Network with Internet Protocol Services (ATN/IPS)
with the goal of having a worldwide IPv6 Internetwork interconnecting aircraft, air traffic
controllers and other authorized entities. This work is focused in the International Civil
Aviation Organization (ICAO), but is now being brought into the IETF:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1676/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-omni-interface/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-intarea-6706bis/

However, the vehicular network model we have for the airplanes differs significantly from
the vehicular model in this ipwave draft when in fact I think there should be no difference.

In particular, in the ATN/IPS aircraft are statically configured with a Mobile Network
Prefix (MNP) (sort of like a VIN) that travels with the aircraft wherever it goes. It uses
this MNP to form a unique link-local address, then assigns the address to the OMNI
interface which is a virtual interface configured over the wireless data link interfaces.
Then, on the wireless links themselves, there are no on-link prefixes and no PIOs
advertised by access routers. The wireless links therefore carry only link-local or
MNP-addressed IPv6 packets, therefore no two vehicles will appear to be on the
same subnet and no multi-link issues for subnet partitions and merges occur. Also,
DAD is not needed at all due to the unique assignment of MNPs.

This same model could be applied to ipwave vehicles, and would alleviate the problems
stated in Section 5. In particular, the link model could adopt the OMNI link model (see
the OMNI draft) where all nodes within the transportation system are "neighbors" on
a shared NBMA virtual link. IPv6 ND works with no modifications, and the link model is
always connected. So, there would be no need for vehicular extensions to IPv6 and ND.
Likewise, mobility management services would work the same as the ATN/IPS design
and would not require any adaptations for fast-moving vehicles.

Final comment for now - the document lists only MIPv6 and PMIPv6 as example
mobility services. We are considering them in the aviation domain, but also have
AERO and LISP as candidate services. Since these would also apply in the ipwave
case, it would be good to list them as candidates here also.

Fred