Re: [ipwave] [secdir] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-27
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From: "Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 01:51:53 +0900
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] [secdir] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-27
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Hi Daniel, Here is the revision of IPWAVE PS Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-28 I attach a revision letter to explain how Chris and I have addressed your comments on the revision. Thanks. Best Regards, Paul On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 4:40 AM Daniel Migault <daniel.migault= 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > -- clicking too fast > > Reviewer: Daniel Migault > Review result: Has Issues > > Hi, > > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's > ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the > IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the > security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat > these comments just like any other last call comments. > > Please find my comments below: > > 1. Introduction > > Vehicular networking studies have mainly focused on improving safety > and efficiency, and also enabling entertainment in vehicular > networks. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in the US > allocated wireless channels for Dedicated Short-Range Communications > (DSRC) [DSRC] in the Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) with > the frequency band of 5.850 - 5.925 GHz (i.e., 5.9 GHz band). DSRC- > based wireless communications can support vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), > vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to-everything (V2X) > networking. The European Union (EU) allocated radio spectrum for > safety-related and non-safety-related applications of ITS with the > frequency band of 5.875 - 5.905 GHz, as part of the Commission > Decision 2008/671/EC [EU-2008-671-EC]. > > <mglt> > I am wondering US/EU covers all spectrum allocation worldwide ? > </mglt> > > 3.2. V2I > > The emergency communication between accident vehicles (or emergency > vehicles) and a TCC can be performed via either IP-RSU or 4G-LTE > networks. The First Responder Network Authority (FirstNet) > [FirstNet] is provided by the US government to establish, operate, > and maintain an interoperable public safety broadband network for > safety and security network services, e.g., emergency calls. The > construction of the nationwide FirstNet network requires each state > in the US to have a Radio Access Network (RAN) that will connect to > the FirstNet's network core. The current RAN is mainly constructed > using 4G-LTE for the communication between a vehicle and an > infrastructure node (i.e., V2I) [FirstNet-Report], but it is expected > that DSRC-based vehicular networks [DSRC] will be available for V2I > and V2V in the near future. > > <mglt> > Is this use case restricted to the US or do we have any equivalent in EU > for > example ? <mglt> > > 3.3. V2X > > The use case of V2X networking discussed in this section is for a > pedestrian protection service. > > <mglt> > I do have an issue with such use case - of course if my understanding is > correct. My understanding from the description is that the use case > explains > how pedestrian can advertise its presence to a vehicle so avoid the > vehicle to > hit that pedestrian. Such assumption does not seem to me acceptable as not > everyone has a phone, and their security - from a vehicle perspective - > MUST > NOT be provided by such a mechanism as it would given a false sense of > security. If a vehicle is not able to detect a pedestrian unless this > pedestrian has a working smartphone with a specific application, the > problem is > bigger and out of scope of the IETF. I can also see that in some > countries, it > will become the pedestrian's fault if it is hit without its application. > As I > understand it, I find this use case extremely dangerous, so my request > would be > to remove it or if I misunderstood it to clarify its scope. <mglt> > > > ________________________________________ > From: secdir <secdir-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Daniel Migault via > Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 2:36 PM > To: secdir@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking.all@ietf.org; its@ietf.org > Subject: [secdir] Secdir telechat review of > draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-27 > > Reviewer: Daniel Migault > Review result: Has Issues > > 1. Introduction > > Vehicular networking studies have mainly focused on improving safety > and efficiency, and also enabling entertainment in vehicular > networks. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in the US > allocated wireless channels for Dedicated Short-Range Communications > (DSRC) [DSRC] in the Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) with > the frequency band of 5.850 - 5.925 GHz (i.e., 5.9 GHz band). DSRC- > based wireless communications can support vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), > vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and vehicle-to-everything (V2X) > networking. The European Union (EU) allocated radio spectrum for > safety-related and non-safety-related applications of ITS with the > frequency band of 5.875 - 5.905 GHz, as part of the Commission > Decision 2008/671/EC [EU-2008-671-EC]. > > <mglt> > I am wondering US/EU covers all spectrum allocation worldwide ? > </mglt> > > 3.2. V2I > > The emergency communication between accident vehicles (or emergency > vehicles) and a TCC can be performed via either IP-RSU or 4G-LTE > networks. The First Responder Network Authority (FirstNet) > [FirstNet] is provided by the US government to establish, operate, > and maintain an interoperable public safety broadband network for > safety and security network services, e.g., emergency calls. The > construction of the nationwide FirstNet network requires each state > in the US to have a Radio Access Network (RAN) that will connect to > the FirstNet's network core. The current RAN is mainly constructed > using 4G-LTE for the communication between a vehicle and an > infrastructure node (i.e., V2I) [FirstNet-Report], but it is expected > that DSRC-based vehicular networks [DSRC] will be available for V2I > and V2V in the near future. > > <mglt> > Is this use case restricted to the US or do we have any equivalent in EU > for > example ? <mglt> > > 3.3. V2X > > The use case of V2X networking discussed in this section is for a > pedestrian protection service. > > <mglt> > I do have an issue with such use case - of course if my understanding is > correct. My understanding from the description is that the use case > explains > how pedestrian can advertise its presence to a vehicle so avoid the > vehicle to > hit that pedestrian. Such assumption does not seem to me acceptable as not > everyone has a phone, and their security - from a vehicle perspective - > MUST > NOT be provided by such a mechanism as it would given a false sense of > security. If a vehicle is not able to detect a pedestrian unless this > pedestrian has a working smartphone with a specific application, the > problem is > bigger and out of scope of the IETF. I can also see that in some > countries, it > will become the pedestrian's fault if it is hit without its application. > As I > understand it, I find this use case extremely dangerous, so my request > would be > to remove it or if I misunderstood it to clarify its scope. <mglt> > > > > _______________________________________________ > secdir mailing list > secdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/secdir > wiki: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/sec/wiki/SecDirReview > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >
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