Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue
Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Mon, 29 May 2017 15:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue
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Le 18/05/2017 à 16:50, John Kenney a écrit : > Hello All: > > I do not agree with the statement that "there are strong privacy > concerns". I suggest changing "concerns" to "requirements". Ok, changed to "requirements". Alex > > I think stating that there are strong concerns conveys a sense of this > being a big unsolved problem. For the DSRC/ITS-G5 community this is not > the case. Privacy protection, including careful avoidance of PII in > messages, pseudonymous certificates, and frequent identifier > randomization, has been designed into DSRC/ITS-G5 from day 1. > > The requirements are cross-layer and systemic, but also not universal > for OCB (e.g. RSUs are licensed for a site and do not need privacy > protection), so 802.11 would not have been the best place to address > them. Stating that they are not addressed in 802.11 sounds to me like it > was an oversight or omission. It was not. > > I agree with noting that some standards already address privacy > protection, but I don't think it helps to list standards (like 802.11) > that do not. > > I hope these comments are helpful. > > Best Regards, > John > > > > > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Jérôme Härri <jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr > <mailto:jerome.haerri@eurecom.fr>> wrote: > > Dear Russ, Dear Alex,____ > > __ __ > > Indeed, and so does ETSI ITS. So, we can keep what is there, and > maybe add something like: ____ > > __ __ > > (…)While the 802.11-OCB standard does not specify anything > particular with respect to MAC addresses, higher layer stack > architecture, such as IEEE 1609 and ETSI ITS does impose MAC > requirements. Accordingly, similar requirements might be expected or > required when operating IPv6 over 802.11-OCB without these > architectures (…) ____ > > __ __ > > Do we need to define what we mean by ‘MAC requirements’? ____ > > __ __ > > Best Regards,____ > > __ __ > > Jérôme____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > *From:*its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org > <mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org>] *On Behalf Of *Russ Housley > *Sent:* Thursday 18 May 2017 15:44 > *To:* Alexandre Petrescu > *Cc:* its@ietf.org <mailto:its@ietf.org> > *Subject:* [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > On May 18, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Alexandre Petrescu > <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com > <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>> wrote:____ > > __ __ > > OLD: > > ____ > > In vehicular communications using 802.11-OCB links, there are strong > privacy concerns with respect to addressing. While the 802.11-OCB > standard does not specify anything in particular with respect to MAC > addresses____ > > > It has been suggested that there is something to think about > here, which > may affect the above statement: there is at least one country > where the > vehicle|driver information, be it physical or electronic, must be > allowed access by law enforcement if so required. > > This is noted. I suggest we discuss this separately. > > At this time I do not modify this text. > > End issue.____ > > __ __ > > IEEE 1609 does impose MAC address requirements. Is this the right > place to call that out?____ > > __ __ > > Russ____ > > __ __ > > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org <mailto:its@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its> > > > > > -- > John Kenney > Director and Principal Researcher > Toyota InfoTechnology Center, USA > 465 Bernardo Avenue > Mountain View, CA 94043 > Tel: 650-694-4160. Mobile: 650-224-6644
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- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue Jérôme Härri
- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue François Simon
- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue John Kenney
- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue Tony Li
- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue François Simon
- Re: [ipwave] 802.11p minor textual issue John Kenney
- Re: [ipwave] 802.11p minor textual issue Russ Housley
- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue Russ Housley
- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue John Kenney
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue François Simon
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue Rex Buddenberg
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue François Simon
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] MAC Address minor textual issue Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue William Whyte
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] RSU minor textual issue François Simon