Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Vehicle Safety Airwaves
Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Tue, 17 December 2019 13:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Vehicle Safety Airwaves
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On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 2:58 PM Alexandre Petrescu < alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote: > in addition to wondering what it means C-V2X > one might wonder whether C-V2X supports IPv6 or not? > yes it should support IPv6, all network in the world specially 4G cellular and 5G are supporting, > also one might wonder whether FCC still considers IPv6 for vehicular > communications? > internet services is a must now, but other services should be available also, > and, if FCC keeps only the 5895-5905MHz channel, also called Control > Channel, for DSRC, and on which it still would like to forbid (and other > times to not forbid) IPv6, then one wonders whether the IPv6-over-OCB > spec can be of any use anymore. > yes it will be in use don't worry, AB > > Alex > > Le 17/12/2019 à 13:05, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit : > > > > > > Le 17/12/2019 à 12:05, Abdussalam Baryun a écrit : > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 12:59 PM Alexandre Petrescu > >> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> > >> have people elsewhere paid money to get a license to talk in the > >> 5.9GHz > >> space? > >> > >> in the article is says the tax payers will be apposing because the > >> cities already used money for the DSRC, and it mentions that FCC plan > >> will KILL and waste a lot of money of city investment by city > covernment. > > > > Right, I think it is the money they spent on deploying the DSRC > > technology, not on spectrum. > > > > That is indeed lots of money in itself. Even in Europe there are > > numerous deployments of RSUs permanently attached to poles along > > highways. All these RSUs and their spectrum were created and reserved > > by starting from USA initiatives on DSRC. > > > > I wonder what happens to all these investments in Europe if USA changes > > tack with respect to 5.9GHz allocation to 802.11-OCB. > > > > I think there are large misunderstandings in this FCC plan. > > > > There are other ideas that were discussed privately and publicly about > > reserving spectrum for a particular technology (spectrum should be > > reserved for application kind, not for a particular PHY or MAC - in that > > sense it seems strange to refuse DSRC but allocate for C-V2X), and about > > reserving spectrum but still free of use (how can one reserve something > > but still allow every one to do whatever they want in it). There are > > many contradictions. > > > > Alex > > > >> > >> AB > >> > >> (not in Europe a single person paid such money) > >> > >> Le 17/12/2019 à 11:56, Abdussalam Baryun a écrit : > >> > Hi Alex, > >> > > >> > I think it is still a debate and not final decision, IMO it is > not > >> > possible change the spectrum while people are already using it > >> and paid > >> > money for it, therefore, it is only a future plan and may not be > >> applied > >> > in all locations in the US. Also I would like to know the opinion > >> of US > >> > participants on this issue please. > >> > > >> > AB > >> > > >> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 11:59 AM Alexandre Petrescu > >> > <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com > >> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> > >> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com > >> <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Le 17/12/2019 à 01:01, Russ Housley a écrit : > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/fcc-moves-plan-forward-to-chop-up-vehicle-safety-airwaves/ > >> > >> > [...] > >> > > The FCC plan would divide 75 MHz of the safety spectrum > >> between WiFi > >> > > and auto safety applications. The FCC proposal allocates > >> 20 MHz for a > >> > > newer V2X technology, known as C-V2X, and leaves 10 MHz > >> for either > >> > > C-V2X or DSRC. > >> > > >> > > >> > AB> they will need to deliver the technology and implement it, > >> > > >> > It is indeed a plan that invites to think about the future. > >> > > >> > An implementation of IPv6 over OCB that uses a 20MHz channel, > >> instead of > >> > 10MHz, would no longer be 'illegal'. > >> > > >> > I would like to ask whether FCC considers this potential C-V2X > >> 20MHz > >> > channel to still be free of use for everyone (like the current > >> 5.9GHz > >> > band) or will it be licensed and paid for? (like e.g. the 2.6 GHz > >> band > >> > of LTE). > >> > > >> > AB> I think it should be like WiFi usedby all free, > >> > > >> > Alex > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > its mailing list > >> > > its@ietf.org <mailto:its@ietf.org> <mailto:its@ietf.org > >> <mailto:its@ietf.org>> > >> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > >> > > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > its mailing list > >> > its@ietf.org <mailto:its@ietf.org> <mailto:its@ietf.org > >> <mailto:its@ietf.org>> > >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > its mailing list > > its@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >
- [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Vehicl… Russ Housley
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Jérôme Härri
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Jérôme Härri
- Re: [ipwave] FCC Moves Plan Forward to Chop Up Ve… Alexandre Petrescu
- [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan (was: Re: FCC… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan (was: Re:… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan fygsimon@gmail.com
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan Chris Shen
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan, and a no… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan, and a no… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] Commenting on the FCC plan - related… Alexandre Petrescu
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