Re: [ipwave] ITU-R liaison statement 1686

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Wed, 21 October 2020 19:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ipwave] ITU-R liaison statement 1686
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Hi, Russ,

Indeed the scope I wrote might be well beyond the scope of the WG.  I
just listed topics concerning me now.  But I will not be responding to
ITU-R liaison, also because it seems to request material rather from
organizations.

Alex

Le 21/10/2020 à 19:56, Russ Housley a écrit :
> Alex:
> 
> This seems to be well beyond the scope of the IPWAVE WG.  Perhaps
> you should respond as an individual.
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 8:22 AM, Alexandre Petrescu 
>> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 17/10/2020 à 17:17, housley@vigilsec.com a écrit :
>>> Since it is from ITU-R, it is about spectrum.
>> 
>> Well, the liaison statement asks this: "Working Party 5A kindly 
>> requests the interested external organizations to provide material 
>> on the description, architecture, applications, technologies, and 
>> operational scenarios of CAVs and the radiocommunication 
>> requirements for CAVs."
>> 
>> This is a very broad request.  I think it is much more than just 
>> spectrum requirements for CAVs.  I think only their request of 
>> 'radiocommunication requirements for CAVs' might indeed relate to 
>> spectrum requirements.
>> 
>> With respect to 'radiocommunication requirements for CAVs' we
>> could list the following: - the use of the 5.9GHz band specific to
>> DSRC as used in automated vehicles.  Use IP on the control channel
>> of this band. - the use of 3.5GHz band specific to 5G as used in 
>> demonstrations of tele-operation of automated shuttle, such as the 
>> October Stockholm demonstration made by Ericsson.
>> 
>> With respect to 'description, architecture, applications, 
>> technologies and operation scenarios' we could provide a pointer
>> to the Internet Draft titled 'IPv6 Wireless Access in Vehicular 
>> Environments (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases'.
>> 
>> With respect to just the 'operational scenarios' we can provide a 
>> few additional pointers to CAV-specific use-cases of communication 
>> technologies: - the 6G use-cases relating to vehicular networking 
>> (some such use cases are listed in the 6gip email list of IETF), - 
>> the ITU-T FG-NET2030 use-cases that relate to automated driving, - 
>> the recent ToD (Tele Operated Driving) use-case described by 5GAA.
>> 
>> An additional possibility might be to provide a list of projects 
>> involving the use of communication systems in CAVs (Connected 
>> Automated Vehicles).
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> 
>>> Russ On 2020-10-17 04:37, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>>> (For information, the ISO TC204 'ITS' too is looking at 
>>>> creating, or enhancing, an 'ADCG' - Automated Driving Control 
>>>> Group.  It is a group trying to oversee how to bring the 
>>>> different characteristics of work related to AD into the 
>>>> various WGs of that TC.  They have started a document titled 
>>>> 'Terms of Reference' on which they might need feedback. This
>>>> is not a liaison statement from ISO TC204, just a FYI.) Alex
>>>> Le 17/10/2020 à 10:31, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
>>>>> I think too it is a good idea to point to our I-D. But,
>>>>> since the ITU-R liaison is about CAV (Connected and
>>>>> Automated Vehicles), I think there would be advantageous to
>>>>> point to particular places in the draft that make for
>>>>> Connected and for Automated. For the Connected part it is
>>>>> straightforward, because many communication protocols are
>>>>> referred to in the I-D. For the Automated part, maybe the V2V
>>>>> use-cases described in the I-D. Maybe other parts of the I-D
>>>>> as well. Alex Le 17/10/2020 à 09:47, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong a
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>> Hi Russ, We can point out our IPWAVE Problem Statement and 
>>>>>> Use Cases Draft can be a good foundation for their work: 
>>>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-19
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-19>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Best Regards, Paul On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 4:05 AM 
>>>>>> <housley@vigilsec.com <mailto:housley@vigilsec.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> The ITU-R sent a liaison: 
>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1686/ 
>>>>>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1686/> Does anyone 
>>>>>> think that the IPWAVE WG should reply? Russ 
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